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The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns. The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns.

05-10-2017 , 09:51 AM
I'm hoping Trump throws his controller on the floor and rage quits America.
05-10-2017 , 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by DVaut1
No way are Democrats going to play this kind of hardball. Confident Schumer is striking a deal with Trump that in exchange for whipping Democratic votes up for passing the AHCA then Trump will formally pardon Clinton.
Has anyone even asked Hilary how she's holding up today??
05-10-2017 , 10:01 AM
Potential threat sent to Siberia. Awval approves.
05-10-2017 , 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by fatkid
I'm hoping Trump throws his controller on the floor and rage quits America.
Why would he rage quit? He's like halfway or more to filling most of the government with completely compliant, subservient stooges. Congress is no obstacle. He got most of his picks into the Cabinet. Now the cops are about to be led by a Trump Slappy.

What's left in his way? Just courts, I guess.

I mean maybe this outrage is the one that finally gets him to quit but I think one very real perspective here is that he just cut out one of the few people with the authority to impede him seriously and if all he has to do is deal with a few days of bad press, it ain't that bad in the grand scheme of things.
05-10-2017 , 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by DVaut1
Why would he rage quit? He's like halfway or more to filling most of the government with completely compliant, subservient stooges. Congress is no obstacle. He got most of his picks into the Cabinet. Now the cops are about to be led by a Trump Slappy.

What's left in his way? Just courts, I guess.

I mean maybe this outrage is the one that finally gets him to quit but I think one very real perspective here is that he just cut out one of the few people with the authority to impede him seriously and if all he has to do is deal with a few days of bad press, it ain't that bad in the grand scheme of things.
What I'm not allowed to hope now? Sheesh bro.

Orange is binge tweeting. Dudes in tilt. He done goofed.
05-10-2017 , 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by fatkid
mitch mcconnell On the floor right now saying this ain't no thing. Shocked.
At what point do republicans become conspirators in helping cover up the many crimes of trump?
05-10-2017 , 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Noodle Wazlib
At what point do republicans become conspirators in helping cover up the many crimes of trump?
If McConnell saw a vid of Trump grabbing his wife's pussy he would find a way to blame it on democrats. They will not relent.
05-10-2017 , 10:19 AM
Don't worry, y'all. In the face of this clear authoritarian move by Trump, I'm sure Rand Paul will have a well regulated militia assembled on the steps of Congress in no time to demand an independent investigation.
05-10-2017 , 10:22 AM
Awval in 2022:

I knows it's not a great look that Trump canceled elections in America and declared himself king for life, but he probably would have won reelection anyway, so let's just see what happens at the end of his eight years. If he refuses to give up power then I might start thinking about being a little concerned.
05-10-2017 , 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by DVaut1
Why would he rage quit? He's like halfway or more to filling most of the government with completely compliant, subservient stooges. Congress is no obstacle. He got most of his picks into the Cabinet. Now the cops are about to be led by a Trump Slappy.

What's left in his way? Just courts, I guess.

I mean maybe this outrage is the one that finally gets him to quit but I think one very real perspective here is that he just cut out one of the few people with the authority to impede him seriously and if all he has to do is deal with a few days of bad press, it ain't that bad in the grand scheme of things.
He also golfs every weekend, plane takes him to wherever he wants to go for free, he's the envy of whatever B league wealth guys he hangs around with at Mar A Lago, his family is getting rich off of his connections, etc, etc, etc.

Like yea a normal politician where this is all they have to give for, where the presidency is some hallowed institution in which mere men have to don the mantle and live up to their imagined expectations of what a President should be and do then yea I could see a ton of pressure. When it's just another thing for doling out favors to others and for finally achieving adoration from some select portion of the public then, nah, it's not some hallowed institution. He maybe frustrated with all the meetings, pomp, etc, but as long as he's giving Republicans Congress critters what they want, the institution will bend to him not the other way around.

Last edited by Huehuecoyotl; 05-10-2017 at 10:39 AM.
05-10-2017 , 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
He also golfs every weekend, plane takes him to wherever he wants to go for free, he's the envy of whatever B league wealth guys he hangs around with at Mar A Lago, his family is getting rich off of his connections, etc, etc, etc.

Like yea a normal politician where this is all they have to give for, where the presidency is some hallowed institution in which mere men have to don the mantle and live up to their imagined expectations of what a President should be and do then yea I could see a ton of pressure. When it's just another thing for doling out favors to others and for finally achieving adoration from some select portion of the public then, nah, it's not some hallowed institution. He maybe frustrated with all the meetings, pomp, etc, but as long as he's giving Republicans Congress critters what they want, the institution will bend to him not the other way around.
Right. Outrage and the constant swarm of controversy that surrounds Trump is only a problem for pluralists. It's only a problem for people who see consensus as desirable and strife as a problem.

That ain't Trump. It may be that constant outrages make the job hard and so he quits because he decides he'd prefer to sit around Mar a Lago and golf and eat steaks and sleep more and watch more FNC than sit in boring meetings. But 'hard' is the key word there. If it's just a bunch of yelling and bad press that keeps Kellyanne Conway and Spicey's heads on a swivel but Trump is ultimately yuking it up on the golf course, why does he give a ****? It seems like he's working to make his job easier in the long run, which getting rid of Comey presumably does, and if he's gotta cause a little Beltway storm for a few days, I doubt he cares that much.

Outrage as a problem for its own sake is only a mental burden liberals and other people with principles carry around. For the authoritarian narcissist, this is something to revel in.
05-10-2017 , 10:37 AM
Like I think liberals remain perpetually stuck in the Ken Burns documentary or episode of the West Wing playing in their heads where outrage and controversy are *problems* and institutions in disarray and failing to live up to their stated ideals is something you're supposed to feel bad about, and imagine Trump shares that same inner monologue. That's a dangerous thing to assume that Trump is genuinely outraged because he caused a storm of controversy.

As long as Trump is getting what he wants in the end, I'm confident he's going to be self-satisfied. If lots of people are pissed and the artifices of good governance crumble around him, I'm equally confident he don't give a **** and he ain't going to rage quit because he ain't even mad.
05-10-2017 , 10:38 AM


and that guy is one of the worst people to have ever been a part of government
05-10-2017 , 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Zimmer4141
So have Senate Democrats announced yet that in exchange for appointing a special investigator for the Trump investigation, that they'll vote for the Senate's AHCA bill because you know... Fair's fair...
The correct play is to announce this, assign the special investigator, and then not vote for the bill, because **** those guys
05-10-2017 , 10:45 AM
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John McCain on Comey firing: ‘There will be more shoes to drop’
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.c2e64cd3c895

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This scandal is going to go on. I’ve seen it before,” McCain told a meeting of the Munich Security Conference core group. “This is a centipede. I guarantee you there will be more shoes to drop, I can just guarantee it. I will look up and say "can you guys see this? It's raining shoes!" The shoes will keep falling and I will keep watching them. Shoes. Big shoes, little shoes, red shoes, blue shoes. Will I do anything? No, I just like to watch shoes.
05-10-2017 , 10:50 AM
Uh oh, Mccain is having Nixon flashbacks
05-10-2017 , 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by fatkid
So Washington DC is footlocker and you better snatch up the Jordans?
05-10-2017 , 11:11 AM
Worth reading today imo:

Fox News Got Trump Elected and Fox News is the Reason He'll Stay in Power

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Most analysis of the Trump media phenomenon simply misses the reality of who got Trump elected: white Baby Boomers making over $70,000 per year whose primary news source is Fox News. Somehow many pundits imagined that the election’s big swing for Trump hinged on unemployed coal miners reading Breitbart or soccer moms reading 4chan or flag-waving unicorns reading Sputnik International. But they’re all a fantasy of people who want to believe that internet news is more powerful than it really is.

TV is still king. And when it comes to TV news, Fox is the only choice for Republican voters looking for a “fair and balanced” view of the world. Yes, the spread of disinformation got to Fox News, as rumors and conspiracy theories find their way to air easier than ever. But the main point of delivery—the common denominator for the majority of Trump voters—was Fox News.

Article goes on to document how if you watched FNC last night, you basically mainlined 3 hours of straight up Trump talking points that the reaction to Comey's firing is all hysterics and firing Comey is bipartisan common sense wisdom.

Also, royal court intrigue:

White House leakers have new target: H. R. McMaster

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According to that report, Trump has “privately expressed regret” for choosing McMaster to replace Michael Flynn, a fierce Trump loyalist who was fired after only 24 days on the job amid controversy over his contacts with Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak.

Bloomberg’s story was replete with the kinds of juicy details that have been the hallmark of tales of White House infighting.

Trump reportedly grew frustrated with McMaster for lecturing him on policy and not giving him a chance to ask questions at briefings.

The story said that Trump at one point “screamed” at McMaster on a phone call for assuring South Korean officials that the U.S. would foot the bill for a missile defense system, contradicting the president.

The White House is said to be cutting McMaster out of top-level meetings and has blocked some of his recent hiring efforts. Trump had a private meeting with former United Nations Ambassador John Bolton about bringing him in for a top spot on the National Security Council, purportedly as a means of checking McMaster’s power, according to Lake.

But the question banging around Washington in the wake of the Bloomberg story was whether the leaks represent reality or are just misdirection from White House officials known to plant embarrassing stories about their rivals in the media.

Adding to the confusion is the fact that the thrust of the story was first reported by blogger and right-wing agitator Michael Cernovich, a Bannon supporter known for promoting conspiracy theories.
05-10-2017 , 11:17 AM
Rand Paul watch: still no signs of a militia. His Twitter account remains silent, too.
05-10-2017 , 11:19 AM
Counterpoint to this turning into Nixon: The Reagan Administration was one of the most criminal in US history. 138 administration officials were convicted, indicted or subject to investigation. Trump's NatSec advisor fired for scandal? Reagan's (John Poindexter) was convicted. Jefferson Sessions? How about Edwin Meese III? James Watt 41 felony counts!

Not only did Reagan survive, he became God Emperor of the GOP.
05-10-2017 , 11:28 AM

https://twitter.com/daveweigel/statu...21991197630464
05-10-2017 , 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by einbert

https://twitter.com/daveweigel/statu...21991197630464
Just posted a similar article on one of the Kinja sites about the FNC/GOP/Trump vortex. Basically if you just watch FNC, you can see how this will play out.

And there was a brief window in the 5-8pm hours on FNC last night where there was genuine surprise and even criticism of Trump by guys like Krauthammer.

Once it got to the evening shift with Tucker and Hannity and now the morning people, it's pretty clear Fox got on the same page as the Trump Admin and the story is now how hypocritical and partisan the Democrats are, so gg to this story, 40% of America that only knows about the world through Fox have been shown how this is just more Democratic Partisan Chicanery and this is probably filtered out of the news cycle by Monday, left only to whiny liberals to bother themselves with virtues or institutional stability or other snowflake concerns. If you can't penetrate the FNC bubble then you can't reach GOP voters and without reaching them then the GOP rearguard types like Flake and McCain and Amash can keep their criticism muted and ultimately play ball with Trump and in the end, it's likely nothing much will happen. This is just the new normal. Trump does stuff, cable news reacts, and as long as he can get whatever he's done past the Fox and Friends and Brit Hume and Jesse Watters and that other guy on The Five, then Trump is good from there to proceed, the nation has spoken. The system basically works through those gatekeepers, the "Trump --> Fox pundits --> GOP base --> GOP Congress --> the end, put it into Production" workflow.

Last edited by DVaut1; 05-10-2017 at 11:44 AM.
05-10-2017 , 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by microbet
Counterpoint to this turning into Nixon: The Reagan Administration was one of the most criminal in US history. 138 administration officials were convicted, indicted or subject to investigation. Trump's NatSec advisor fired for scandal? Reagan's (John Poindexter) was convicted. Jefferson Sessions? How about Edwin Meese III? James Watt 41 felony counts!

Not only did Reagan survive, he became God Emperor of the GOP.
Imo Reagan and his handlers were more shrewd and obviously more competent. Trumpdy is a bungling narcissistic mess whose pride is going to be his downfall. Reagan kept himself insulated and let everyone around him take the fall, whereas Trump is going to be left hanging out in the wind. He invites derision and conflict amongst his administration and I believe he will be thrown directly under the bus by his minions if it means it will save their hide.
05-10-2017 , 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by einbert

https://twitter.com/daveweigel/statu...21991197630464
That's how the machine works.
05-10-2017 , 11:42 AM
He also only keeps incompetent minions around. He would never directly hire somebody as smart as say Mitch McConnell, because it would hurt his ego. They might do him by accident or on purpose.

      
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