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01-30-2017 , 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by dlk9s
would be nice if you would say where i lied there ?
do you really think Donald Trump hates Black People ?
01-30-2017 , 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by DTD


Now he's being sexist too!
01-30-2017 , 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by piet_evil
never heard about that central five thing from 28years ago, but the guys confessed as i just read. How should he have known that they were most likely not guilty ?
Housing Discrimination is more of a business Move and not makes him a racist, just a capitalist. and if you are saying Black people should care more about Frisking and upping law enforcement in Chicago( the city with the highest murder rate in america as far as i know), are you implying that Black People are more criminal than White People ?
As you might know the countries that get the ban are all Countries were America had an Military invention. Dont you think that there are a lot of people that want revenge and hate America ? How will you know who will hate America and who does not ?
You mean "Refugees" like the 100thousands Illegal Migrants that Germany let in without them having Passports and which are the main reason for a strong increase in violence and senseless Crime ?[/QUOTE]

Chicago is not even top 10. Get informed!

Top 10 murder and non negligent manslaughter per 100.000 people for cities with population>250.000, 2014 (source: wikipedia)

1. St. Louis 49.9
2. Detroit 43.5
3. New Orleans 38.7
4. Baltimore 33.8
5. Newark 33.3
6. New York 23.2
7. Pittsburgh 22.4
8. Memphis 21.4
9. Atlanta 20.5
10. Cincinnati 20.2

19. Chicago 15.1

Also, black people should care more because they are treated different (read: worse) by the police than white people on average.

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As you might know the countries that get the ban are all Countries were America had an Military invention. Dont you think that there are a lot of people that want revenge and hate America ? How will you know who will hate America and who does not ?

You mean "Refugees" like the 100thousands Illegal Migrants that Germany let in without them having Passports and which are the main reason for a strong increase in violence and senseless Crime ?
This is wrong on so many levels. As I said, get informed (not by Trump propaganda).
01-30-2017 , 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by piet_evil
would be nice if you would say where i lied there ?
do you really think Donald Trump hates Black People ?
I never said you lied, I just don't think you know what you are talking about.

And yes, I think Donald Trump doesn't like black people. He has demonstrated this throughout his life. The only black people he gives any regard to are ones that are famous, rich, or that he can use in some way to make himself look better.
01-30-2017 , 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by piet_evil
would be nice if you would say where i lied there ?
do you really think Donald Trump hates Black People ?
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer...-evidence.html
01-30-2017 , 10:00 AM
Guessing Hardiman will be the SCOTUS pick. If it's Pryor the protesting will likely each astronomical levels. He's by far the most right of the 4 likely choices
01-30-2017 , 10:01 AM
And by the way, two things:

1) Where Chicago exactly ranks on the murder scale is irrelevant (though I appreciate snafoo providing the facts). The only reason Trump and Conservatives have harped on Chicago is because President Obama is from there.

2) Tougher "law and order" will not do anything to solve crime in areas where it is a big problem. In fact, it will likely make things worse in the long run.
01-30-2017 , 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by piet_evil
which city is it then ?
This is a very revealing question. Anybody remotely in a pattern of finding stuff out know that wikipedia keeps per capita lists on just about everything, and that it is far faster (and more polite) to google this answer in sub 20 seconds than to get someone else on the forum to google it. And of course the answer is that chicago isn't close to number 1. Does this change anything about your view of trump? I doubt it.
01-30-2017 , 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by piet_evil
never heard about that central five thing from 28years ago, but the guys confessed as i just read. How should he have known that they were most likely not guilty ?
He called for their execution after they were shown not to be guilty.

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Housing Discrimination is more of a business Move and not makes him a racist, just a capitalist.
Just 100% wrong.

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and if you are saying Black people should care more about Frisking and upping law enforcement in Chicago( the city with the highest murder rate in america as far as i know), are you implying that Black People are more criminal than White People ?
We're saying Stop and Frisk impacts the black community bigly and is designed to.

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As you might know the countries that get the ban are all Countries were America had an Military invention. Dont you think that there are a lot of people that want revenge and hate America ? How will you know who will hate America and who does not ?
Since 1975 there have been more people murdered in the US by Dylan Roof, a white supremacist, than by all of the refugees from those 7 countries combined. Where are the EOs about white supremacists?
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You mean "Refugees" like the 100thousands Illegal Migrants that Germany let in without them having Passports and which are the main reason for a strong increase in violence and senseless Crime ?
Did Germany let those refugees into the US?
01-30-2017 , 10:10 AM
Chiefsplanet:

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I think everyone can agree that we are at war against ISIS.

That being said, the media and left elite, can be brought up with sedition charges for attempting to undermine the war efforts such as they have with Trump's EO. This was used in WWI and WWII. The last use of sedition charges issued was in 2010. Even Lincoln shut down the newspapers during the civil war.

If the media, hollywood and liberal elites continue down this path, then I could absolutely see a Trump justice department using this and rightfully so. I would support it. There is criticizing and their is an attempt to undermine the President and the authority of the US. The law is clear and they are clearly breaking it.
01-30-2017 , 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
Never thought I would see the day when I would consider someone getting kidnapped by ninjas to be a good thing.
01-30-2017 , 10:11 AM
lol - thx for taking over for suzzer
01-30-2017 , 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by uke_master
This is a very revealing question. Anybody remotely in a pattern of finding stuff out know that wikipedia keeps per capita lists on just about everything, and that it is far faster (and more polite) to google this answer in sub 20 seconds than to get someone else on the forum to google it. And of course the answer is that chicago isn't close to number 1. Does this change anything about your view of trump? I doubt it.
Thats why i wrote as far as i know. so i guess Police presence should be upped in a lot more Citys

And its not like i am a big Trump supporter, i actually find it rather sad that America has a leader with no Political Qualification, because the Other Candidate( i used singular because i think America is a joke of a Democraty if so many people despise both candidates but no other Candidate got a significant Number of Votes)
But i really like to relativise Hyperbole
01-30-2017 , 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by piet_evil
I have some Questions for you Guys. In which way did Trump ever harm Black People ?
What is so bad about not letting People in from countries were the majority of the Population hates America ?
Trump being the leader of the Birther movement.
Birthers not only question the place of birth of Obama, but they question the authenticity of his Harvard law degree. They asked him to produce evidence of his law certificate.
It is a racist movement because he is black and they hated the idea of a black man being more intelligent and in position of authority over them.
01-30-2017 , 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by piet_evil
People that had American Soldiers in their Country killing citizens are most likely big America Fans.
of course there willl always be cases were this is not the case. But a smart Move is always to play the numbers
So that's how it works?

1. Invade and 'free' country where bad people are in charge.
2. Probably everybody hates you there now, including the people you freed. Ban their citizens, and citizens of other countries who have roots in that country, from entering US.
3. Find another county to invade.

I think Trump is too lenient then. The US should also ban people from Vietnam and Germany. And lots of other countries.
01-30-2017 , 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Chippa58
After a weekend of big protests with non-stop coverage, I'm thinking Trump is in need of an adoration fix. Even though many Trump supporters probably are fine with the travel ban, they aren't showing it by staging huge demonstrations. They're not gathering anywhere like they did during the campaign to praise their leader. Look for Trump's team to find opportunities to get Trump a large and favorable crowd as soon as they can.


He is announcing Supreme Court nomination tomorrow instead of Thursday.
01-30-2017 , 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by kerowo
He called for their execution after they were shown not to be guilty.
Thats not how i read it a half an hour ago

Just 100% wrong.

wow 100% seems to be a bit hyperbole dont you think ? so his driving force was not to make more profit on his investments at all ?


We're saying Stop and Frisk impacts the black community bigly and is designed to.

so frisking people is a big conspiracy against Black people ?

Since 1975 there have been more people murdered in the US by Dylan Roof, a white supremacist, than by all of the refugees from those 7 countries combined. Where are the EOs about white supremacists?

Hard to stop White Supremacists form entering the Country when they are in fact Americans
Did Germany let those refugees into the US?
No, but Germany could be used as an deterrent example
01-30-2017 , 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Melkerson
Not sure if serious, but I'll play along. Who do you think controls the DOJ?
I'm not an attorney, but it's my understanding that when people (up to and including POTUS) violate a federal court order they can be held in contempt of court. You're saying the POTUS and the CBP are above the law? Heck, if that's the case, why don't Trump and Banno just start assassinating Muslims, Mexicans, and the heads of newspapers they don't like?
01-30-2017 , 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Vagine
Trump being the leader of the Birther movement.
Birthers not only question the place of birth of Obama, but they question the authenticity of his Harvard law degree. They asked him to produce evidence of his law certificate.
It is a racist movement because he is black and they hated the idea of a black man being more intelligent and in position of authority over them.
This Birther Movement stuff is obviously a big pile of bull****
But the main Motivation for Trump behind it is to discredit a Political Opponent.
01-30-2017 , 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Lestat
I'm not an attorney, but it's my understanding that when people (up to and including POTUS) violate a federal court order they can be held in contempt of court. You're saying the POTUS and the CBP are above the law? Heck, why don't Trump and Banno just start assassinating all the editorial boards they don't like?
The federal prosecutorial service is under the direction of the president. Historically, it has been difficult for the president to quash investigations into the activities of himself and his underlings, but that's a PR point. The remedy for a lawless president is impeachment.
01-30-2017 , 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by piet_evil
Thats why i wrote as far as i know. so i guess Police presence should be upped in a lot more Citys

And its not like i am a big Trump supporter, i actually find it rather sad that America has a leader with no Political Qualification, because the Other Candidate( i used singular because i think America is a joke of a Democraty if so many people despise both candidates but no other Candidate got a significant Number of Votes)
But i really like to relativise Hyperbole
Remember how we just got through an episode where you believed a ridiculous trump lie, didn't bother to do the 20 seconds to fact check it prior, and then when informed of the lie you again didn't bother to do the 20 seconds to fact check it but imposed it on us to find the answer for you? Remember that process? Now consider, do you think you might ALSO be wrong about "police presence should be upped" as your go to default response to this claim?

Here is a valuable exercise: Can you think of any OTHER things we could do outside of increasing police presence to combat murder rates? You should be able to come up with at least 5 in under a minute.
01-30-2017 , 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by piet_evil
No, but Germany could be used as an deterrent example
How many times do you have to be told that we don't just "let refugees in" before you'll do some research on the existing vetting process?
01-30-2017 , 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by piet_evil
This Birther Movement stuff is obviously a big pile of bull****
But the main Motivation for Trump behind it is to discredit a Political Opponent.
Because the Political Opponent was.... come on it's not that much of a leap.
01-30-2017 , 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by snafoo
So that's how it works?

1. Invade and 'free' country where bad people are in charge.
2. Probably everybody hates you there now, including the people you freed. Ban their citizens, and citizens of other countries who have roots in that country, from entering US.
3. Find another county to invade.

I think Trump is too lenient then. The US should also ban people from Vietnam and Germany. And lots of other countries.
You really think the Invading was because of Bad People in Charge ?
Using freed in that context seems pretty absurd
i think under Trump America is less likely to invade another country then it would have been under Hilary. but thats a thing nobody can know for sure.

I think what America did in many of this Country is really bad, but the past cant be changed and as the POTUS you have to protect People living in America right now
01-30-2017 , 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Lestat
I'm not an attorney, but it's my understanding that when people (up to and including POTUS) violate a federal court order they can be held in contempt of court. You're saying the POTUS and the CBP are above the law? Heck, if that's the case, why don't Trump and Banno just start assassinating Muslims, Mexicans, and the heads of newspapers they don't like?
Maybe the idea is for the administration to find out. Citing Andrew Jackson as an influence is a big hint.
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