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05-08-2017 , 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by einbert
If you actually want to learn where Black Lives Matter came from and the hard work that went into even making it a thing, check out this amazing interview with one of the creators:

http://www.earwolf.com/episode/patri...ance-under-45/

Thanks for the link. I'll listen to it in its entirety over the next several days as time permits. I'm sure I'll find some interesting things I didn't know.
05-08-2017 , 06:43 PM
Awesome. She actually does address the question of "Should it be called something else/Should the name be changed" during the interview. I won't spoil it for you though.
05-08-2017 , 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by bobman0330
The poster whose id was lifted from a series of middle-brow romance novels has views on good names for things!
Says the guy with a handle lifted from the makers of a bedding machine?
05-08-2017 , 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Lestat
It's because I find it unfathomable why so many so called intelligent progressives have such a hard time understanding that you can think BLM isn't the best name for a movement and still be 100% behind fixing racism. Or that you can pro 2A and still be pro choice.

You still don't get that this identity politics (i.e., labeling someone across the board as a racist, homophobe, xenophobe, etc., just because they take a different view on a completely unrelated issue), is a very bad idea that led to where we are today.
There's no problem with the name.

The problem lies with brainwashed FoxNews-watching rubes thinking that Black Lives Matter = No Other Lives Matter. Apparently, in their world, Breast Cancer Awareness Month is actually an announcement that anyone with stomach, throat, brain, thyroid, or bladder cancer can go **** themselves.
05-08-2017 , 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by 2OutsNoProb
There's no problem with the name.

The problem lies with brainwashed FoxNews-watching rubes thinking that Black Lives Matter = No Other Lives Matter. Apparently, in their world, Breast Cancer Awareness Month is actually an announcement that anyone with stomach, throat, brain, thyroid, or bladder cancer can go **** themselves.
Yea this. They see Black Lives Matter and say "What about me!!!"

That's why All Lives Matter was created. So the stupid morons watching Fox would understand they weren't being singled out.
05-08-2017 , 06:54 PM
Some new demographic analysis of the election: Black turnout way down compared to 2012, white turnout up slightly

Check out MI and WI:

05-08-2017 , 06:54 PM
BLM supporters read it as black lives MATTER. BLM opposers read it as BLACK lives matter.
05-08-2017 , 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Money2Burn
And also, let's keep focusing on tearing ourselves down over the optics of Obama giving a relatively unremarkable speech for a relatively unremarkable sum.
The optics of Democrat establishment politicians cozying up to Wall St is a factor in them losing elections. This isn't a "distraction" issue. It's a real issue!
05-08-2017 , 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Our House
The 43 people who might run against Trump in 2020

Here are 43 possible candidates who could take on Trump in 2020:

Former Vice President Joe Biden: Biden, 74, said he "regretted" not running in 2016. He stoked major speculation about 2020 with a busy travel schedule but later said, "Guys, I'm not running!"

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.): Sanders, 75, emerged as a leader on the left after his 2016 presidential run, and he's working with the Democratic National Committee to help unite the party. He wouldn't rule out a 2020 run but said in January it's "much too early" to discuss another bid.

Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.): Warren, 67, has become one of the biggest thorns in Trump's side. In an April interview, Warren said she has no plans to run in 2020 and is focused on her 2018 reelection.

Sen. Kamala Harris (D-Calif.): Harris, 52, has been in the Senate for just four months, but the rising star is already floated as a potential contender. The former California attorney general said she's not thinking about future campaigns.

Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.): The vocal gun control advocate has been another strong Trump critic. The White House reportedly asked consultants to look into Murphy, 43, and four other possible Trump challengers.

Sen. Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn.): Klobuchar, 56, is running for reelection next year, but she stoked major speculation with her plans to travel to Iowa, a crucial state on the primary schedule, this weekend.

Facebook CEO and founder Mark Zuckerberg: Zuckerberg, 32, who also co-founded an immigration advocacy organization, created some buzz when he said he'll visit all 50 states this year.

Sen. Cory Booker (D-N.J.): Booker's meteoric rise from a mayor of Newark, N.J., to U.S. senator has prompted speculation about a future run for president. While Booker, 48, won't discuss future plans, he didn't rule it out, either.

Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.): Gillibrand, Clinton's Senate successor in 2009, earned Democratic cred by leading the Senate Democrats in votes against confirming Trump's Cabinet nominees. But Gillibrand, 50, says she's focused on her 2018 reelection campaign and recently ruled out a 2020 run.

Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper: Hickenlooper, 65, who was on Clinton's vice presidential shortlist, has been floated. He told the Denver Post that he's not running for president.

New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo: Cuomo, 59, is running for reelection in 2018, but he hired two fundraisers from Florida, a sign that he could be considering a presidential run.

Former Maryland Gov. Martin O'Malley: O'Malley, 54, didn't gain much traction in his 2016 run, but he's already testing the waters again. A political action committee affiliated with him polled Democratic caucus voters in Iowa, and he visited New Hampshire in April.

Former Housing and Urban Development Secretary Juli n Castro: Castro, 42, was on Clinton's vice presidential shortlist. The former San Antonio mayor drew national attention for his 2012 Democratic National Convention speech.

Sen. Tim Kaine (D-Va.): Kaine, 59, grew his profile as Clinton's running mate. After the election, Kaine ruled out running for president or vice president in 2020. He's up for reelection in 2018.

Sen. Al Franken (D-Minn.): Franken, 65, emerged as a tough critic during the confirmation hearings for Trump's Cabinet picks. In an interview, he said he's not running, noting that senators generally don't fare well running for president.

Sen. Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio): Brown, 64, was on Clinton's running mate shortlist. He could face a tough reelection in 2018, though, after Trump won his state in 2016.

Former Massachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick: Patrick, 60, left office in 2015 and now works at Bain Capital. He's been previously floated as a presidential contender and is close with a former top Obama adviser, David Axelrod.

New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio: De Blasio, 55, is running for reelection this year. His political prospects have been buoyed by the news that he won't face charges in a federal investigation into his 2013 campaign fundraising.

Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban: The billionaire businessman and "Shark Tank" star frequently clashed with Trump in 2016 and endorsed Clinton. Cuban, 58, has said "we will see" about whether he runs for president.

Environmental activist Tom Steyer: The billionaire donor, 59, who runs a climate change advocacy group, is considered a possible candidate for California governor in 2018.

Democratic National Committee Chairman Tom Perez: The former Labor secretary, 55, was elected head of the national party this year and is looking to rebuild after the 2016 elections.

Minnesota Gov. Mark Dayton: Dayton, 70, was recently diagnosed with prostate cancer but plans to finish out his term, which ends in 2018.

Virginia Gov. Terry McAuliffe: The term-limited governor will be out of office in January 2018. McAuliffe, 60, is a well-connected ally of both Bill and Hillary Clinton and a former DNC chairman.

California Lt. Gov. Gavin Newsom: Newsom, 49, launched an early 2018 bid for California governor. He's said being president seems "like the most miserable job in the world."

Facebook COO Sheryl Sandberg: Sandberg, 47, drew praise for her book "Lean In," which discusses women in the workforce, but she has said she won't run and will "continue to say no."

Starbucks CEO Howard Schultz: Schultz, 63, is stepping down from his role and will be executive chairman. He was urged by friend to run in 2016, but he endorsed Clinton.

Former first lady Michelle Obama: The former first lady proved a formidable campaigner for Clinton in 2016, but Obama, 53, and others close to her have said she won't run for elected office.

Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson: The wrestler and star of the "Fast and the Furious" film franchise has flirted with running for office. A registered Republican, Johnson, 45, spoke at the party's convention in 2000, but documentary filmmaker Michael Moore has urged him to run. One potential political ally: Warren, who has described herself as a fan of Johnson's HBO show "Ballers."

Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (D-Hawaii): Gabbard, 36, hasn't been afraid to buck her party. She drew scrutiny for secretly meeting with Syrian President Bashar Assad and criticizing the U.S. strike on Syria following Assad's alleged use of chemical weapons on civilians.

Rep. Keith Ellison (D-Minn.): Ellison, 53, was a prominent Sanders supporter and was a leading contender for DNC chairman before losing to Perez. He now serves as the DNC's deputy chairman.

Rep. Sean Patrick Maloney (D-N.Y.): Maloney, 50, considered a bid to lead the House Democrats' campaign arm this cycle, but passed. He wrote Democrats' autopsy on the 2016 elections.

California Gov. Jerry Brown: Brown, whose term is up in 2018, doesn't think he'll run for office again, but wouldn't rule it out. Brown, 79, has run for president three times.

Media mogul Oprah Winfrey: Winfrey, 63, who endorsed Clinton, is frequently floated for president but has said she will "never" run.

Former Sen. Russ Feingold (D-Wis.): Feingold, 64, served in the Senate from 1993 to 2011, but he lost a comeback bid in 2016. He considered a presidential run in 2008.

Former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean: Dean, 68, unsuccessfully ran for president in 2004. Dean, whose tenure as DNC chairman from 2005 to 2009 was marked by its successful "50 States Strategy," briefly ran for DNC chair this year before dropping out.

Former Vice President Al Gore: Gore, 69, who lost the 2000 presidential election after a Supreme Court decision, reemerged in politics when stumping for Clinton last year.

Sen. Mark Warner (D-Va.): Warner, 62, ruled out a 2020 run: "I think that window is probably shut."

Former Sen. Jim Webb (D-Va.): Webb ran for the Democratic nomination in 2016 but dropped out after only polling in the single digits. He briefly weighed running as an independent. Since the 2016 race, Webb, 71, has pitched himself as a politician who can understand the white working-class voters who are flocking to Trump.

Los Angeles Mayor Eric Garcetti: Garcetti, 46, is considering a 2018 bid for California governor, but The New York Times reported that national donors have urged him to run for president.

Rep. Seth Moulton (D-Mass.): Moulton, an Iraq War veteran, was also mentioned in the New York Times story and privately says he's not ruling out a bid. Moulton, 38, brushed aside the story but is fundraising off of it anyway.

New Orleans Mayor Mitch Landrieu: Landrieu, 56, called the a New York Times story about him considering a run "hysterical." He gained notoriety after defending the removal of Confederate memorials in New Orleans.

Sen. Tammy Duckworth (D-Ill.): Duckworth, 49, recently made the switch from the House to the Senate. She's an Iraq War veteran and lost both of her legs while serving as a Army helicopter pilot during the war.

Washington Gov. Jay Inslee: The two-term governor was a congressman for more than a decade. Inslee, 66, played a role in his state's lawsuit against Trump's travel ban.
From the get-go, I've liked Harris, Schultz, and Newsom. Garcetti is an interesting guy.

Brown, Dean, and Gore won't run. The ship has sailed already and is way out at sea.

As a NY'er, I can say unequivocally that Bill De Blasio would have less than zero chance to do any damage and would be one of these people who pulls 0.6% in Iowa then "suspends" his campaign an hour later.

Franken is a lousy public speaker and not all that funny anymore.

Cuomo likely will try and run, but I don't think his style play well nationally.

I love Gillibrand, who has a knack for pulling in votes from R's and I's. She's also an excellent fundraiser. Being a Democrat and winning Staten Island (!) by 28 points is no small feat.
05-08-2017 , 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
Some new demographic analysis of the election: Black turnout way down compared to 2012, white turnout up slightly

Check out MI and WI:

Wisconsin’s laundry list of voter suppression laws challenged in court
http://americablog.com/2015/06/wisco...ged-court.html

Wisconsin may have lied to a federal court in order to get away with voter suppression
https://thinkprogress.org/wisconsin-...n-5e0379ee354c

From 2014:
Jim Crow Returns: Interstate "Crosscheck" Program Could Strip Millions of the Right to Vote
https://www.democracynow.org/2014/11...scheck_program
05-08-2017 , 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by aoFrantic
My problem is that this is patently ridiculous. The framing and messaging of BLM is not why the problems are problems in the USA. The last pew poll had BLM with a higher support than Trump had on inauguration day among Americans. You're projecting.
I'm not saying the problems of our current political climate are merely from the framing and messaging of BLM. I'm saying it's the framing of EVERYTHING. That if you're pro 2A you must be racist, because if you're pro 2A, then you must be pro-life, and if you're pro-life, then you must be a misogynist, and if you're a misogynist, then you must've voted for Trump, and if you voted for Trump then you're ta-da! A racist!

When in reality, it's possible to be pro 2A while being either some or NONE of what the stereotypical following. There is no middle ground is this political climate and it's mostly because progressives (not conservatives) are so quick to pigeon hole people into categories. You've got a poster here who is telling people which candidate they chose for Christ's sake, and it doesn't bother him in the least bit that he's dead wrong!
05-08-2017 , 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Lestat
It's because I find it unfathomable why so many so called intelligent progressives have such a hard time understanding that you can think BLM isn't the best name for a movement and still be 100% behind fixing racism. Or that you can pro 2A and still be pro choice.

You still don't get that this identity politics (i.e., labeling someone across the board as a racist, homophobe, xenophobe, etc., just because they take a different view on a completely unrelated issue), is a very bad idea that led to where we are today.
Because when you need to fix crime you don't worry about offending criminals. When you need to stop rape you don't worry about calling them rapists. When you want to stop cheating you don't worry about calling them cheaters.

When you want to stop racism STOP WORRING ABOUT CALLING RACISTS, RACIST.

Maybe worry about hundreds of years of slavery, Jim Crow and institutional racism, not the feelings of a bunch of scumbag racists.

Black live matter should really be called "**** you white cop scumbags, please stop shooting us" but FYWCSPSSU doesn't exactly roll off the tongue.
05-08-2017 , 07:09 PM
black people don't turn out as well when a black person isn't running is total no **** sherlock stuff. Only thing MI/WI show is suppression made it more so there.

Anyway, trump did is standard THE REAL NEWS IS THE LEAKERS AND THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION SURVEILLANCE tweet storm.
05-08-2017 , 07:16 PM
to me al franken seems like a smart guy, he sounds well-prepared when i see him on the tv, and i think he has great low key comedic timing but i hope the democrats frame 2020 as professional vs clown and not entertainer vs clown, but then i remember what happened in 2016 and i think that with trump so flawlessly portraying a villain already, that if we can just get tom hanks to ACT like the good guy trying to save the world, and instead of campaign commercials run movie trailers in every genre starring tom hanks vs donald trump, then middle america MIGHT just play along with our communist takeover plot
05-08-2017 , 07:23 PM


he said it wasn't included in the report he signed off on about the election tampering and he even explicitly clarified that ongoing investigations that were classified were kept out of that report, so this is a fake tweet.
05-08-2017 , 07:37 PM
I think the hearing went exceptionally well. Yates crushed it and Clapper did a good job. We expected to learn nothing and didn't for the most part, except for a couple of small details. The general public got a few important things confirmed and that's a plus. Trump & Co lost a couple of key excuses which is also a bonus.

I'm not sure why nobody pressed on Pence though. The entire hearing went by with the Veep framed as the patsy that Flynn betrayed. But proof exists from several sources that Pence knew the whole time and he was flat out lying. It changes the perspective of the story, especially from where Yates is sitting. Because if Pence lied, there's no guarantee that Flynn lied to him, no guarantee that he was fired for that reason, and no guarantee that the Russians knew he was able to be compromised. Unless there's another undisclosed reason Yates and other IC people knew all that.
05-08-2017 , 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by wheatrich
Also, she'll get painted as an obama appointee trying to bring down trump, so it won't matter at all to trump supporters.
Yah this didn't happen fortunately. They tried, but failed miserably.
05-08-2017 , 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Clovis8
Because when you need to fix crime you don't worry about offending criminals. When you need to stop rape you don't worry about calling them rapists. When you want to stop cheating you don't worry about calling them cheaters.
I disagree. It depends on if your end goal is to fix the problem, or simply identify and stick labels on the perpetrators.

If you want to stop someone from say, stealing, you can go ahead and call him a no good dirty thief. But if you really want him to stop stealing, it might help to first figure out why he steals. Is it because he's hungry? Is it because he feels entitled to things that don't belong to him? Is it because he doesn't know how to acquire what he steals in a legitimate way? Is it because he doesn't have the tools or resources to do so?

Calling him a thief solves nothing. Teaching him how to acquire things in a legitimate way, might. And it might not. A certain percent will always remain incorrigible. But I'm willing to bet that most people can and even want to be rehabilitated. This is what our prison system was supposed to do, but instead, we've turned them into places for pure punishment and vengeance.

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Black live matter should really be called "**** you white cop scumbags, please stop shooting us" but FYWCSPSSU doesn't exactly roll off the tongue.
Yeah, I'm 100% with you here. But notice how there's no 'b' in FYWCSPSSU?
05-08-2017 , 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by 2OutsNoProb
From the get-go, I've liked Harris, Schultz, and Newsom. Garcetti is an interesting guy.

Brown, Dean, and Gore won't run. The ship has sailed already and is way out at sea.

As a NY'er, I can say unequivocally that Bill De Blasio would have less than zero chance to do any damage and would be one of these people who pulls 0.6% in Iowa then "suspends" his campaign an hour later.

Franken is a lousy public speaker and not all that funny anymore.

Cuomo likely will try and run, but I don't think his style play well nationally.

I love Gillibrand, who has a knack for pulling in votes from R's and I's. She's also an excellent fundraiser. Being a Democrat and winning Staten Island (!) by 28 points is no small feat.
It's Oprah's gig if she wants it, imo. None of them stand a chance against her.
05-08-2017 , 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by ScreaminAsian


he said it wasn't included in the report he signed off on about the election tampering and he even explicitly clarified that ongoing investigations that were classified were kept out of that report, so this is a fake tweet.
Here are the other fake tweets from this afternoon:


https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...13233786404864
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...13823505494016
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...15019674910721

The hearing did not go well for the WH at all. He's clearly shook.
05-08-2017 , 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Lestat
I'm not the political junkie some of you are and I wasn't even aware there was an All Lives Matter movement, which I think is silly.

Any logical person can look at the data and conclude that an unarmed black person is FAR more likely to be shot by a cop than a white dude as a representative percentage of population. The same no doubt holds true for any non-white group. It is clear there is a very severe problem with systemic racism within many police forces, which needs to be addressed and fixed ASAP.

I recently read a tweet that I'm paraphrasing read: "If I murdered someone at work, getting fired would be the least of my problems". So true. And I think a movement simply titled Police Can't Get Away With Murder would be more effective than BLM, HLM, LLM, GLM, or ALM, etc., because the problem in this instance, is with police using blatant racist and unnecessary force practices. But on this forum that makes me a racist somehow.
Dude, no. I've said this exact thing, that the names Black Lives Matter should have some more stank on it, like Black Lives Matter Comma F**k You, and only much later took a reverse position and and thought the BLM name was ideal, simple and elegant.

Like, nobody is labeling anybody a racist because they offer constructive criticism about marketing and branding.
05-08-2017 , 08:01 PM
Black Lives Rule White Lives Drool

Last edited by 5ive; 05-08-2017 at 08:17 PM. Reason: rool
05-08-2017 , 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by AllTheCheese
You think getting paid a few hundred k per year creates a "need for graft"?
No. I'm not sure if I missed a post but I don't think there is a "need for graft" at the current salary. The president should be paid more because the cost benefit analysis is clear:

If paying the president some amount more reduces the likelihood that they will favor capital in their governance than the increase in salary pays for itself many times over.

I took your post to mean "I don't like politicians/politicians are gross and therefore the thought of paying them more disgusts me." I understand the view but I don't think it's of any real importance here.

Last edited by Paul McSwizzle; 05-08-2017 at 08:26 PM.
05-08-2017 , 08:04 PM
ok so lestat finally made it to my ignore list today, surprised he made it this long actually

clapper and yates testifying in senate intel committee and this ****ing white guy wants to nit it up on some all lives matter ****, COOL ****ING STORY THERE PAL
05-08-2017 , 08:05 PM
How much pushback was there surrounding Yates? First she catches onto Flynn, brings it to the White House in detail twice, and gets fired for it. Travel ban was just an excuse as confirmed today. Then Nunez runs all kinds of interference for them, blows up the House committee, and gets the original Yates hearing cancelled. Then he farts around the rescheduling until he's forced to recuse. Then Trump sends out this witness tampering/intimidating tweet this morning. Then the WH tries to get all the Republicans to cancel today. And now the tweetfest above.

Trump is hiding something TREMENDOUS in the Flynn/Russia story and everyone needs to keep the pressure on (until we push Trump to use WW3 as a deflection of course).

      
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