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05-08-2017 , 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Riverman
None of this had **** to do with Wall Street. Bogle detests Wall Street. LOL access to credit, 2009 loved that ****
It has to do with finance which is what your statement was about.

And I am sure you still like the idea that you have access to credit. I assume you use credit cards and enjoy the benefits of financing as it relates to the economy.
05-08-2017 , 04:05 PM
somehow cruz asking about emails with a straight face
05-08-2017 , 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Riverman
None of this had **** to do with Wall Street. Bogle detests Wall Street. LOL access to credit, 2009 loved that ****
Amen brother the financial system is a scam, FIAT currency are the biggest scam in the world, we need the gold standard back.
05-08-2017 , 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Oroku$aki
You give this same spiel in about 1/2 of your posts here. You're perpetually trying to save face.
It's because I find it unfathomable why so many so called intelligent progressives have such a hard time understanding that you can think BLM isn't the best name for a movement and still be 100% behind fixing racism. Or that you can pro 2A and still be pro choice.

You still don't get that this identity politics (i.e., labeling someone across the board as a racist, homophobe, xenophobe, etc., just because they take a different view on a completely unrelated issue), is a very bad idea that led to where we are today.
05-08-2017 , 04:37 PM
No one had a problem with Black Lives Matter until the All Lives Matter movement deliberately subverted the meaning of the name.

"Black Lives Matter" is a plea for the justice system stop treating black people as second class citizens.

White people might not have gotten that, but they weren't offended by it until "All Lives Matter" came out. At which point their lizard brains went straight to "Black Lives Matter" as somehow meaning white lives matter less.
05-08-2017 , 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
But not on election day, I would guess.
Don't you find it worrisome that you're so often found with your thumbs in your ears screaming LA-LA-LA? Or is it that you just can't handle that people exist who disagree with you on many issues voted for Clinton the same as you?

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But Lestat, you're an #AllLivesMatter guy who thinks Democrats support the social safety net to keep people poor, you think non-racist people getting called racist for non-racistly opposing Muslim immigration caused them to vote for Trump as a glorious revenge against PC, and let's not even get into the trans people in bathrooms ****.
This would be correct if you replace *think(s)* with *questions* and I'm not going to apologize for questioning things.

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The MOMENT you hear any of Sanders rhetoric on race or poverty, you're jumping off that bandwagon in a ****ing instant. The only thing you like about Sanders is you vaguely associate him with anti-establishment rhetoric, when we leave the abstract and get to the specifics it's going to get ugly.
There you go again telling others what they think. Do you teach ESP classes?
Can anyone sign up? Btw- I've heard Sanders' "rhetoric" on race and poverty and can't recall anything I've disagreed with. Would be curious if you could find something that I would.
05-08-2017 , 04:46 PM
Lestat, you're really having a cause and effect problem here.
05-08-2017 , 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
No one had a problem with Black Lives Matter until the All Lives Matter movement deliberately subverted the meaning of the name.
I'm not the political junkie some of you are and I wasn't even aware there was an All Lives Matter movement, which I think is silly.

Any logical person can look at the data and conclude that an unarmed black person is FAR more likely to be shot by a cop than a white dude as a representative percentage of population. The same no doubt holds true for any non-white group. It is clear there is a very severe problem with systemic racism within many police forces, which needs to be addressed and fixed ASAP.

I recently read a tweet that I'm paraphrasing read: "If I murdered someone at work, getting fired would be the least of my problems". So true. And I think a movement simply titled Police Can't Get Away With Murder would be more effective than BLM, HLM, LLM, GLM, or ALM, etc., because the problem in this instance, is with police using blatant racist and unnecessary force practices. But on this forum that makes me a racist somehow.
05-08-2017 , 05:01 PM
I'm guessing the BLM leaders didn't think to focus group their name on white people first. Probably if it resonates with black people was given stronger preference.
05-08-2017 , 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by aoFrantic
Lestat, you're really having a cause and effect problem here.
Well then I'd love to be helped out if you could do so without calling me a racist, homophobe, or some other name. I want to be logically consistent. Where am I going wrong?
05-08-2017 , 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by aoFrantic
Lestat, you're really having a cause and effect problem here.

He is telling the truth from the heart.
05-08-2017 , 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
I'm guessing the BLM leaders didn't think to focus group their name on white people first.
What about Hispanic or Latino people? Wouldn't it make sense that if you were one of many Hispanic family members who have lost a loved one at the hands of a racist cop, you might take exception to a movement called BLM?

And another reason I don't like BLM is that it almost implies that the problem somehow lies with blacks when the problem isn't the fault of blacks (or other minorities), it's with the predominately white racist establishment.

Last edited by Lestat; 05-08-2017 at 05:11 PM. Reason: To add
05-08-2017 , 05:11 PM
If you actually want to learn where Black Lives Matter came from and the hard work that went into even making it a thing, check out this amazing interview with one of the creators:

http://www.earwolf.com/episode/patri...ance-under-45/

05-08-2017 , 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Lestat
Any logical person can look at the data and conclude that an unarmed black person is FAR more likely to be shot by a cop than a white dude as a representative percentage of population.
Not true. Studies show that blacks are more likely to experience every other kind police brutality, but shooting is about equal for blacks and whites.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/12/u...shootings.html
05-08-2017 , 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Lestat
It's because I find it unfathomable why so many so called intelligent progressives have such a hard time understanding that you can think BLM isn't the best name for a movement and still be 100% behind fixing racism. Or that you can pro 2A and still be pro choice.

You still don't get that this identity politics (i.e., labeling someone across the board as a racist, homophobe, xenophobe, etc., just because they take a different view on a completely unrelated issue), is a very bad idea that led to where we are today.
My problem is that this is patently ridiculous. The framing and messaging of BLM is not why the problems are problems in the USA. The last pew poll had BLM with a higher support than Trump had on inauguration day among Americans. You're projecting.
05-08-2017 , 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by AllTheCheese
Not true. Studies show that blacks are more likely to experience every other kind police brutality, but shooting is about equal for blacks and whites.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/12/u...shootings.html
these stats appear to disregard the fact that a black person is more likely to "encounter" an armed police officer in the first place
05-08-2017 , 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Lestat
I'm not the political junkie some of you are and I wasn't even aware there was an All Lives Matter movement, which I think is silly.

Any logical person can look at the data and conclude that an unarmed black person is FAR more likely to be shot by a cop than a white dude as a representative percentage of population. The same no doubt holds true for any non-white group. It is clear there is a very severe problem with systemic racism within many police forces, which needs to be addressed and fixed ASAP.

I recently read a tweet that I'm paraphrasing read: "If I murdered someone at work, getting fired would be the least of my problems". So true. And I think a movement simply titled Police Can't Get Away With Murder would be more effective than BLM, HLM, LLM, GLM, or ALM, etc., because the problem in this instance, is with police using blatant racist and unnecessary force practices. But on this forum that makes me a racist somehow.
The poster whose id was lifted from a series of middle-brow romance novels has views on good names for things!
05-08-2017 , 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by LostOstrich
these stats appear to disregard the fact that a black person is more likely to "encounter" an armed police officer in the first place
Given the information "Person X was stopped by police," the study establishes roughly equal or smaller likelihood Person X will be shot if black as opposed to white. I'm not sure if this was your point, but in any case, it is a fair point that if blacks are stopped for no reason constantly, there would be much less likelihood of there being any justification whatsoever for shooting them, so an equal rate of shooting would still imply bias. However, the study was conducted by a Harvard economist who called his findings "the most surprising result of [his] career." So without looking at the study, I wouldn't want to assume he didn't also filter his results by the nature of the stop.

EDIT: Looking a little more carefully at the article, he does seem to apply such filters.
05-08-2017 , 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by AllTheCheese
Given the information "Person X was stopped by police," the study establishes roughly equal likelihood Person X will be shot whether he is black or white. I'm not sure if this was your point, but in any case, it is a fair point that if blacks are stopped for no reason constantly, there would be much less likelihood of there being any justification whatsoever for shooting them, so an equal rate of shooting would still imply bias. However, the study was conducted by a Harvard economist who called his findings "the most surprising result of his career." So without looking at the study, I wouldn't want to assume he didn't also filter his results by the nature of the stop.
yeah, bolded is my point
05-08-2017 , 05:44 PM
Just catching up with the hearing but Sally Yates crushing this
05-08-2017 , 05:46 PM
remember all those people who were supposedly on the way out or leaving or getting reduced roles?

None of them did. All of it was fake news.
05-08-2017 , 05:48 PM
Classic authoritarian play.

05-08-2017 , 06:31 PM
Remember when Trump was going to tear up NAFTA but then Canada and Mexico called him begging him not to do it, one could imagine, because Trump had then right where he wanted them?

Turns out Trump's aids called Canada to get Trudeau to call Trump to beg him not to tear up NAFTA.

This is some let the mentally handicap person score a goal in the game level sh*t.

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White House staff called the Prime Minister’s Office last month to urge Justin Trudeau to persuade President Donald Trump not to tear up the North American Free Trade Agreement, according to multiple Canadian government sources.


The unconventional diplomatic manoeuvre — approaching the head of a foreign government to influence your own boss — proved decisive, as Trump thereafter abandoned his threat to pull out of NAFTA unilaterally, citing the arguments made by Trudeau and Mexican President Enrique Pena Nieto as pivotal.

But the incident highlights the difficulties faced by governments all over the world when it comes to dealing with a president as volatile as Trump.
http://www.nationalpost.com/m/wp/new...r-nafta-threat

Last edited by Huehuecoyotl; 05-08-2017 at 06:56 PM.
05-08-2017 , 06:35 PM
i bet "aids" is ivanka giving trudeau a private call
05-08-2017 , 06:37 PM
lol liberals, lol media, lol this country is ****ed


https://twitter.com/alexweprin/statu...36145590583296

      
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