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01-30-2017 , 05:16 AM
The Council for National Policy: Behind the Curtain

interesting southern poverty law center article about a group called the council for national policy, an extreme right-wing religious organization who, as you probably already guessed, are adamantly anti-islam, anti-gay, and creationists.

the article links a pdf of the membership directory which i looked through. among the members are steve bannon and kellyanne conway. so hopefully this gives everyone an idea of what we're dealing with here.
01-30-2017 , 05:19 AM
It's funny Trump supporters claim he has lived up to his promises when literally the only one he has fulfilled is to harass some brown people. Despite everything that has happened in the past week that is the only promise where something tangible has happened. Everything else was kicked down the road.

Not to mention he overloaded the swamp
01-30-2017 , 05:22 AM
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Originally Posted by dopebeats
Yes, you are mostly correct and I am a US citizen. Just recently, it seems all the rules have gone out of the window. I mean if you look at a checklist for how a demagogue seizes power, this is exactly how it goes down. So I worry, what happens when a constitutional crisis inevitably arises.
If Trump was at 80% approval and we were fighting a defensive war with daily terrorist attacks, I'd be concerned about the law being followed. In the present context, I literally think both parties have stong incentives to impeach even on the thinnist basis. Ryan and McConnell want to work with Pence, not some half crazy conman who doesn't really even share their views. Trump may need the dems to keep him in office.

Last edited by simplicitus; 01-30-2017 at 05:27 AM.
01-30-2017 , 05:26 AM
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Originally Posted by locknopair
The Council for National Policy: Behind the Curtain

interesting southern poverty law center article about a group called the council for national policy, an extreme right-wing religious organization who, as you probably already guessed, are adamantly anti-islam, anti-gay, and creationists.

the article links a pdf of the membership directory which i looked through. among the members are steve bannon and kellyanne conway. so hopefully this gives everyone an idea of what we're dealing with here.
Interesting. Honestly, the GOP and it's supporters are largely just an extremist religious group at this point.
01-30-2017 , 06:01 AM
Finding Dory tells you that you can accomplish a lot even if you have a ridiculously short attention span and generally no idea what's going on, as long as you keep making crazy and spectacular moves. He probably enjoyed it.
01-30-2017 , 07:43 AM
I have some Questions for you Guys. In which way did Trump ever harm Black People ?
What is so bad about not letting People in from countries were the majority of the Population hates America ?
01-30-2017 , 07:50 AM
heard on Morning Joe:

Most Senate Democrats are afraid to come down hard on this issue because at their recent retreat they were reinforced in the fact that a large probably majority of their constituents are fine with this new border restriction.

Protesters and the most vocal out there are still less than 1% of the population. Smart strategic campaigning will be needed to overcome this EO, not just protest.
01-30-2017 , 07:51 AM
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Originally Posted by piet_evil
I have some Questions for you Guys. In which way did Trump ever harm Black People ?

What is so bad about not letting People in from countries were the majority of the Population hates America ?
It is pretty obvious, that his whole 3-5 million illegal votes spiel will lead to disenfranchisement of tons of black voters.
The ban affects almost one hundred thousand German citizens. Anti-Mericanism has always been a thing here, but even during peak-Bush II times I don't think the majority here hated America.
01-30-2017 , 07:55 AM
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Originally Posted by simplicitus
I don't think you understand how radical it would be in the US system, particularly in 2017 for the president to disregard the courts. Every lawyer and cop in the US would go nuts, as would 80% of GOP senators and 75-80% of the populace, and 90% of CEOs. He could get by with trivial/arguable stuff but nothing more.

Hell, some general would end it for him if he tried to use army to suppress the courts.
Uh, Congress is now made up of a majority of people whose constituencies voted for and believe what Trump tells them. Like some Tea Party candidate or ****ing Marco Rubio gives a **** about Marbury v Madison? A Florida legislator just introduced a bill that would give our state legislature veto power over our Supreme Court. These people don't give a **** about norms. All they care about is sticking it to libtards and being on the winning team regardless of how "winning" happens.
01-30-2017 , 07:58 AM
Can someone link a comprehensive summary of the whole Trump dossier affair from start to finish, up to the 19,5% sale of the Rosnest company? I read the HuffPo article, and followed a few links, but it is really confusing. Which is probably the point...

Also: removing the Judicial Branch from the whitehouse.gov site is just sooooo unreal. That is something the current administration did on purpose. How does one even process that?
01-30-2017 , 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Lateralus
Can someone link a comprehensive summary of the whole Trump dossier affair from start to finish, up to the 19,5% sale of the Rosnest company? I read the HuffPo article, and followed a few links, but it is really confusing. Which is probably the point...

Also: removing the Judicial Branch from the whitehouse.gov site is just sooooo unreal. That is something the current administration did on purpose. How does one even process that?
This is worth a read. "Trial Balloon for a Coup?"

Last edited by Vecernicek; 01-30-2017 at 08:22 AM. Reason: not a "comprehensive summary" of the dossier, but your post reminded me of this blog
01-30-2017 , 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by GermanGuy
It is pretty obvious, that his whole 3-5 million illegal votes spiel will lead to disenfranchisement of tons of black voters.
The ban affects almost one hundred thousand German citizens. Anti-Mericanism has always been a thing here, but even during peak-Bush II times I don't think the majority here hated America.
But there were accusations about him being against black people for months, but i cant see the reason why that is the case.
Why does the ban affect Germans as well ?
And the most important question these days is : why is it bad to not letting People from countries into America were the Majority of the Population hates America ?
01-30-2017 , 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Lateralus
Can someone link a comprehensive summary of the whole Trump dossier affair from start to finish, up to the 19,5% sale of the Rosnest company? I read the HuffPo article, and followed a few links, but it is really confusing. Which is probably the point...

Also: removing the Judicial Branch from the whitehouse.gov site is just sooooo unreal. That is something the current administration did on purpose. How does one even process that?
Former MI6 guy who still had contacts in Russia was hired by anti Trump Republicans to do opposition research on Trump. The dossier is a result of that research. Steele felt the research to be sufficiently credible and disturbing to give it to US Intelligence after the Republicans had no more use for it. Steele is considered credible enough by the intelligence community that the report was circulated and Obama briefed on it. At some point McCain got a hold of it and turned it over to the FBI. The FBI was believed to have been seeking warrants to investigate some of Trumps team based in part of the report.
01-30-2017 , 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by piet_evil
But there were accusations about him being against black people for months, but i cant see the reason why that is the case.
Are you aware of the discrimination lawsuit against him for refusing to rent to African Americans?
01-30-2017 , 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by markksman
It's funny Trump supporters claim he has lived up to his promises when literally the only one he has fulfilled is to harass some brown people. Despite everything that has happened in the past week that is the only promise where something tangible has happened. Everything else was kicked down the road.

Not to mention he overloaded the swamp
It's the only one that matters to his supporters.
01-30-2017 , 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by piet_evil
But there were accusations about him being against black people for months, but i cant see the reason why that is the case.
Why does the ban affect Germans as well ?
And the most important question these days is : why is it bad to not letting People from countries into America were the Majority of the Population hates America ?
Turning stop-and-frisk policies up to 11, wanting to obliterate social safety net, wanting Central Park Five to die even after DNA exonerates them, wanting to 'send the Feds in' to Chicago (whatever that means), old housing discrimination lawsuits.

It affects anybody born in any of the 7 countries. Ex: Born in Somalia, but UK citizen? Door's shut on you.

Nobody's 'letting them in'. The process it takes to get approved to come here and stay here takes years. Anybody who tells you otherwise is being dishonest and probably hateful. The entire point of being a 'refugee' is that you're coming from a place where you don't feel safe, presumably because the gov't or the majority hate you. If the majority hate America it's all the more reason to help the minority that don't.
01-30-2017 , 08:47 AM
After a weekend of big protests with non-stop coverage, I'm thinking Trump is in need of an adoration fix. Even though many Trump supporters probably are fine with the travel ban, they aren't showing it by staging huge demonstrations. They're not gathering anywhere like they did during the campaign to praise their leader. Look for Trump's team to find opportunities to get Trump a large and favorable crowd as soon as they can.
01-30-2017 , 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by simplicitus
What do you mean, 'officially topples the judicial branch.'? If he does anything more than refuse to follow a court order in a way that can be debated (keep in mind, he can claim to be following and sorta not really, at least for a few weeks), he's done and it's welcome aboard President Pence.
Sure, he can openly defy court orders, but next time, that's when principled House Republicans really stand up for their country.
01-30-2017 , 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Vecernicek
This is worth a read. "Trial Balloon for a Coup?"
Man his previous article is downright scary

https://medium.com/@yonatanzunger/wh...c3a#.e04pl1rfv
01-30-2017 , 09:02 AM
Cliffs: Liberal tears caused problems, not the Muslim ban.



01-30-2017 , 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Fatal Checkraise
Cliffs: Liberal tears caused problems, not the Muslim ban.





https://twitter.com/markknoller/stat...45312590573568
01-30-2017 , 09:05 AM


Trump asking his supporters to study the world. This could change everything.
01-30-2017 , 09:09 AM
Is there really a chance they can make significant attempts to make life (more) difficult for blacks, trans, gay, and Jews? Isn't that likely suicide for the next election? Latinos has to be a lock (which is gross). I just never expected such a spillover into all those other areas.
01-30-2017 , 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by DTD


Trump asking his supporters to study the world. This could change everything.
If Trump supporters were as well read, well traveled and as smart as you then they would not be Trump supporters, right?
01-30-2017 , 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by rafiki
Is there really a chance they can make significant attempts to make life (more) difficult for blacks, trans, gay, and Jews? Isn't that likely suicide for the next election? Latinos has to be a lock (which is gross). I just never expected such a spillover into all those other areas.


Seems unlikely to be suicide. These groups already aren't giving the GOP much support. You remove millions from the rolls and any loss of support is easily compensated for.

      
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