All I said was he's done exactly what he told us he would do

That doesn't mean I believe he's made agreeable decisions, I even admitted I don't agree with some of his decisions

I am just looking for open discourse, maybe I'm in the wrong place, in which case I'm happy to move along

Again my point was missed

The whole Muslim ban fiasco (why not just make them wear green crescents?) proves that Trump's biggest problem is INCOMPETENCE. Clearly he and his people do not understand the basics of existing US immigration law.

Saying "his word is his word" implies he keeps promises, when in reality he routinely breaks them. There are plenty of things he told us he would do that he hasn't done, like every lying politician ever.

Lol. I got banned once for calling someone a coward (without the expletive) in this forum.

Anyone care to bet on this guy being subject to the same rules?

I made a bingo halfway through.

Go find a safe space you ****ing coward.

You're right. He got Mexico to pay for the wall. He "locked her up." He released his tax returns. He divested all of his possible conflict of interest businesses. He drained the swamp.

OK maybe not. He didn't, and won't, do any of those things. Someone will release his tax returns eventually, but he won't do it. He will try to pass legislation to fund a wall for about $15B, but that won't go anywhere. He waffled and called the Clinton's good people, so I guess he won't lock her up after all. The swamp is worse than it has ever been. Other than that, and every other thing that has come out of his mouth, he has done everything he said.

The guy is clearly a narcissistic, clueless dictator that is only out for himself.

How is a civil war going to happen when most of the military and nearly all gun owners will be on Trump's side? All these protests inspire some hope that Trump will soon be unpopular enough to make impeachment a good political play, but if it leads to civil war, Trump wins and officially names himself dictator. The only way he's forcibly removed is through another country's military.

About Chicago O'hare: My sister and I went today (she is an immigration lawyer and went to do any pro bono thing needed, I went to raise hell and chew gum, BUT I WAS ALL OUT OF GUM) and apparently, with the reports coming in, lawyers were lied to and told there was nobody being detained that might require counsel.

They are running wild outchea.

I'd hold off betting on this here.

Not sure which promise you're singling out. He certainly hasn't made true on every promise he made yet but he hasn't thrown a curveball either. I'm not claiming he is god's gift to the earth, he certainly isn't. So far he's already made multiple decisions that make me cringe, the immigration issue being the most notable, and we're only ~10 days in, but he told us he would make those decisions months ago, that's standing by his word

My whole point is that 2+2 is completely uninterested in any opinion that isn't "**** Trump" and that puts 2+2 in the same category as Trump. "My opinion only and everyone else be damned".

Again, Trump is not some great leader in a time of crisis who leads his own major political party and has the support of 60+% of the populace. He's an incompetent game show host who needs the votes of McCain, Graham, and Collins to do anything.

You see McCain's brush back on Russia sanctions? Boom, sanctions relief dead in the water and not raised on call with Putin. Between mass protests and GOP push back, Trump is walking a very narrow path. It's closer to everyone is against Trump than everyone for him. He's wounded and reality is coming in hot and heavy. The only saving grace he has is the upcoming supreme court nomination.

There has never been a politician who has lied more than Trump. He's trying to keep a couple of promises in a half ass way to fool the rubes.

If he officially topples the judicial branch, that makes the legislature impotent. You do realize that? The legislature makes the laws and the judicial branch interprets those laws. If the executive branch (Trump) doesn't enforce the laws that are made and interpreted what the hell can you do?

https://www.dhs.gov/news/2016/02/18/...waiver-program

What do you mean, 'officially topples the judicial branch.'? If he does anything more than refuse to follow a court order in a way that can be debated (keep in mind, he can claim to be following and sorta not really, at least for a few weeks), he's done and it's welcome aboard President Pence.

For example, if Trump ever says anything like, "Justice Roberts had made his decision, now let him enforce it," he's out. No ifs, ands, or butts. If he had 55% approval, he's still out. However, he'll never be at 55%, he's sucking wind to get to 40% with a -8 net approval. In a month he'll be at 35% and Pelosi and Ryan will have agreed on a draft outline of articles on impeachment, 'just in case.' He has no room, he has no mandate, and he doesn't understand how any of this works.

If the law enforcement agencies refuse to oust him, what do you do? Lets say impeachment articles are drawn up who is going to physically oust him and his ilk?

I mean, can you give even one scenario where he 'doesn't enforce the laws' and survives? What's that mean, like unilateral lifting of Russian sanctions? He does that an McCain, Graham introduce bill the next day and it moves real fast through Congress. Trump vetos? Welp, gonna be hard to have military support while coddling Russia. Maybe in that situation failure to adhere to a court order looks like an impeachable offense.

No, you say, the military will support Emperor Cheeto no matter what. Well, if you believe that, there's no point in trying to have a rational argument.

Any current or ex military care to weigh in on likelihood of military supporting Trump over Congress and/or judiciary? I think 0.5% seems about right.

You literally just had CPB ignoring court orders.

Musk is on an advisory council (Strategic & Policy Forum)

If he's impeached and convicted he's not the President and has no authority. If necessary he'd be forceably detained and then shot or tried for treason and then shot (or pardoned by Pence, 'for comity').

This is not some 5M population backwater with a 35 year history. This is Murica. Never to my knowledge has the military ever stood up for a tyrant, and they're not going to start with an unpopular one with tiny hands and obvious mental defects. Sure, maybe in a country populated by nomadic truckers, but this aint mad max.

Second hand rumors of such, which were contradicted by an actual legal analysis I read of what the VA court order actually requires. (Didn't link it because was largely technical.)

If, at the hearing this week (stay is on emergency basis for a week, pending fuller briefing), the DOJ lawyer argues that Trump ordered the CBP to disobey the court order because he's a higer authority than the court or the court lacks authority, then the articles of impeachment will be filed THAT DAY.

[This argument wouldn't be made because the DOJ attorney would resign first. You know that civil servants, judges, congresmen, do not swear an oath to Trump, they swear an oath to the Construction.]

Edit: Are you a US citizen? Someone tell me I'm correct that this is not obscure information.

Yeah congress would have their hand forced. They like their cushy gigs they aren't going to chose civil war just to protect Trump. If he ignored judicial orders they ultimately would impeach him. They would/will probably be giant wusses about it and drag their feet but ultimately they would.

Although that cowardly bunch would likely be pushed to forcing trump to behave behind the scenes if that was inevitable.

Not going to lie, a trump impeachment and trial would be the greatest proceeeding the world ever saw. I think there is a 98% chance trump would not resign even if impeached.

Yes, you are mostly correct and I am a US citizen. Just recently, it seems all the rules have gone out of the window. I mean if you look at a checklist for how a demagogue seizes power, this is exactly how it goes down. So I worry, what happens when a constitutional crisis inevitably arises.