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05-05-2017 , 08:32 PM

#29826

Riverman

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Dems are still calling this bill "ACHA."

They have witnessed bull**** messaging crushing them for like 30 years and they can't get their **** together on calling this "Republicare?" Seriously? Should probably keep electing Nancy Pelosi to leadership

05-05-2017 , 08:32 PM

#29827

Victor

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and the worst part about my dads friend is that she has faced some horrible discrimination from her colleagues and neighbors. its really heartbreaking.

05-05-2017 , 08:38 PM

#29828

ScreaminAsian

For President

Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 33,333

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riverman

for real

05-05-2017 , 08:40 PM

#29829

MrWookie

Don't Call Me Meredith

Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 94,159

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riverman

I mean calling it TrumpCare and calling it something good for rich people but it's bankrupt and will screw over the little guy, just like everything else with Trump's name on it seems like pretty obvious messaging to me, but I am not on the Democrats payrolls.

05-05-2017 , 08:52 PM

#29830

TheHip41

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Quote:

Originally Posted by awval999

This is ****ing fantastic.

Can you even imagine walking out to take a dip in your swimming pool and you see that?

Like what do you even ****ing do?

You know it's a metaphor right?

05-05-2017 , 08:54 PM

#29831

TheHip41

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Victor

wait he really stalked einbert and found out his facebook and used info from that as ammo to criticize him? jesus what a scumbag. like that is just mindbottling grotesque.

He did that to me a few years back as well.

05-05-2017 , 09:05 PM

#29832

stinkubus

Pooh-Bah

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MrWookie

Wasn't TARP "only" about $700B while this is closer to $1T?

Quote:

Originally Posted by 11t

TARP actually had a purpose and the loans were laid back, this is a fist ****ing

TARP passed and was implemented. The House bill will not pass as is in the Senate, as I believe there are too many red Senators who could throw away easy 2018-2020 victories if they go HAM. There are red states who are dependent on that Medicaid money. Something will pass, it will be unequivocally awful, but it will not be as bad as what just passed the House.

And I personally DGAF if the TARP money got repaid, as the one expansion of the social safety net which took place in subsequent years is about to get repealed :-P. 100% will now be going back to it's "rightful" owners in the form of tax cuts.

The Senate really will be our last hope for the next 4-8 years, only because some Rs in red states are going to have to fade urban voters to win.

05-05-2017 , 09:08 PM

#29833

microbet

Solar Powered

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Quote:

Originally Posted by awval999

Honestly, it makes sense to get the high-risk patients off of the individual market. That will enable 95% of the other customers to have cheaper health insurance. They could have used the 3.9 and 0.9 taxes to fully fund the high risk pools. But it's a GOP bill so but nahhh.

Honestly I see the waste around me at work. One patient, terminal case, using $$$$$$ of resources and we could use those resources to cover thousands of others. We wouldn't treat our own pets the way we treat our NICU babies and ICU adults.

So many docs think they can play God and fix what cannot be fixed. So much false hope given to family to get them to agree to churn the patient in the medical health complex.

Your party opposes any kind of right to die or death with dignity legislation. You've already said the bottom line is your bottom line. Don't pretend you're being compassionate.

05-05-2017 , 09:17 PM

#29834

Huehuecoyotl

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Originally Posted by bbfg

Why would the moderates side with Trump on such a controversial bill? This type of stuff will just result result in it being a dem sweep in 4 years, no?

Sick people just can't die for 4 years I guess

Here's what the Hill said, but, again, this seems to put some kind of premium on the sanity of Republicans in the Senate which is asking a lot

Quote:

So why did House Republicans go out on such a long limb for TrumpCare II? More precisely, why did “Tuesday Group” moderates mostly sign on to a scheme that could send them home in November 2018?

The answer is that if the Senate kills the bill, their general-election risk is capped: voters tend not to get hot and bothered by things that didn’t happen. Sure, Democrats will try to hold the moderates’ feet to the fire, but the fire will burn cool. Conversely, had Tuesday-Group types abandoned TrumpCare II in the House, they would have felt white heat — from Team Trump, House leaders, and others poised to punish infidelity. Think hard-right primary opponents, campaign fund cut-offs, and other tools of internecine vengeance.

So the Republican moderates who put TrumpCare II over the top made a savvy calculation. Assuming the Senate acts as the “fence” against the House’s “fickleness and passion,” as James Madison envisioned, yesterday’s “historic” vote will soon be forgotten.

http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blo...doomed-to-fail

05-05-2017 , 09:21 PM

#29835

JimHammer

Digg'n the gifs

Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 8,742

Quote:

Originally Posted by TiltedDonkey

Rather than causing a big disruption in N.Y.C., I will be working out
of my home in Bedminster, N.J. this weekend. Also saves country
money!
Donald J. Trump*@realDonaldTrump

Lol hmmmmmmm

http://www.trumpnationalbedminster.com/

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobman0330

Guess Melania locked him out?

In the last 100 days, how much time has he spent with his wife and son?

05-05-2017 , 09:23 PM

#29836

fatkid

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Originally Posted by FlyWf

ATC- Dan was an outspoken supporter of Ron Paul on his prior account

Did we ever figure out what banned person that dan dork is?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Victor

ya, my dads gf works at a small town in special ed. she had been no thought republican her whole life but trump was so disgusting that she converted. every other person at her work went trump. these are ppl that work with special ed kids all day. so they voted against their livelihood, and against the ppl that they work with and educate and really actually protect.

its truly unbelievable.

my aunt had never been political in her whole life but she went full on trumpkin. reposting and liking all his stuff and all the anti hilary stuff on facebook. this is a women who was a single mother whos only kid was/is really terribly bipolar. and even at 40+ the daughter has awful episodes. just a few years ago she spent 2 weeks in the hospital after going absolutely nuts manic.

the kid has nearly bankrupted her as is, but the govt has paid millions over her life. my aunt has no education and worked minimum wage for a long time and then for the 2nd half of her life had a decent job making lower middle class money. certainly not nearly enough to pay for all of the hospital visits and counseling and then just straight up supporting her daughter.

the daugher has ofc benefited from low income housing and medicare and food banks and surely many other programs.

ya see, these ppl are just hopeless and irredeemable. no, I am not talking about the sick ones. I mean the trumpers.

Jesus is a hell of a drug.

05-05-2017 , 09:23 PM

#29837

wheatrich

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in today's news that usually would be an outrage but here it's just yeah they totally want that

Trump suggested financing for historically black colleges may be unconstitutional.

05-05-2017 , 09:26 PM

#29838

Melkerson

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So who did HastenDan used to be?

05-05-2017 , 09:28 PM

#29839

fatkid

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Yeah and why is a fully banned poster allowed to troll the forums like it ain't no thing?

05-05-2017 , 09:30 PM

#29840

microbet

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Riverman

I'm part of the 1% and I'm ****ing enraged. Poor women voting for this clown makes me want to give up. I know why they vote the way they do, but sometimes it's really hard to be their advocate.

That's like $500k/year ( household I think). So....nice.

05-05-2017 , 09:32 PM

#29841

Victor

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Quote:

Originally Posted by fatkid

Yeah and why is a fully banned poster allowed to troll the forums like it ain't no thing?

I mean its pretty much forum tradition that permas come back

05-05-2017 , 09:32 PM

#29842

Trolly McTrollson

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Quote:

Originally Posted by O.A.F.K.1.1

Can I put in a euro requesting cliffs request?

This deserves a real response since I'm sure other Euro lurkers are wondering the same thing, so here goes:

The House of Representatives has just passed what is probably the most spiteful, malicious pieces of legislation in modern history that will take away healthcare coverage for millions of people in order to finance a tax cut for the 0.1%. People are going to for reals die or go broke if it becomes law. Lots of people.

The AHCA will have to pass a vote in the Senate and then get signed by the President in order to become law. The Senate has already signaled that they won't even consider it (it's too toxic even for them). What the Senate will do is come up with their own healthcare bill that will be a little less terrible and kill considerably fewer people. Senate Republicans are a little less bat**** crazy than the House Republicans for a lot of reasons, including gerrymandering. The House Freedom Caucus are the craziest of the crazy, and they are difficult to appease.

If the Senate can pass its own healthcare bill (which is far from certain), leaders of the House and Senate will try to reconcile the differences between the two bills. If they can satisfy both chambers, the House and Senate will vote on the compromise bill and it will go on to Trump, who will literally sign anything they hand him so he can claim a victory. There is a very real danger here that Senate Republicans will cave in like cowards and come up with a compromise bill that satisfies the Freedom Caucus.

It's also possible that Senate Republicans will come up with obscure procedural tricks that kill the bill. Their goal would be to kill it while making it look like they tried to pass it and hope Fox viewers are too dumb to see the ruse.

Also, the Senate may be unable to pass a healthcare bill due to moderate Republicans voting against it. Pay attention to Dean Heller (NV), Susan Collins (ME), Lisa Murkowski (AK), and Rob Portman (OH). Portman may be especially pissed right now: the news is that Trump plans on eliminating funds for fighting opioid abuse, which is disastrous for his state. We really like abusing opioids here in the American midwest: the latest new fad is getting high on elephant tranquilizers.

Quote:

Sen. Rob Portman (R-Ohio), who co-authored a major opioids bill that became law last year, forcefully opposed the proposed cuts to the office.

"We have a heroin and prescription drug crisis in this country and we should be supporting efforts to reverse this tide, not proposing drastic cuts to those who serve on the front lines of this epidemic,” he said in a statement.

We also like to play a game called "cornholing" in the midwest. It's not as dirty as it sounds. But I digress.

Democratic politicos are optimistic because they think this abomination of a healthcare plan will make voters who don't like dying come out against Republicans. These Democrats are the same spineless, incompetent guys who got clowned on by Trump, so you should be cautious about this. If you follow politics you will want to see what happens in the Georgia special election: if Democrat Ossoff pulls off an unlikely win, it may be a signal that Republicans are in serious trouble.

Last edited by Trolly McTrollson; 05-05-2017 at 09:48 PM.

05-05-2017 , 09:33 PM

#29843

suzzer99

Save the Cheerleader, Save the World

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Quote:

Originally Posted by microbet

That's like $500k/year ( household I think). So....nice.

I think Riverman is a lawyer and his wife's a teacher. But he's probably factoring in the value of her pension and sweet sweet bennies.

05-05-2017 , 09:36 PM

#29844

Huehuecoyotl

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(Gorka voice) THE FIGHT IS NOT OVER MR CHAPO!*

*Courtesy of Trump and Bannon

05-05-2017 , 09:36 PM

#29845

Losing all

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Originally Posted by thethethe

Throw it out with the rest of the trash. God I love Friday!

05-05-2017 , 09:39 PM

#29846

einbert

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The golden hope of the NeverTrumpers, lol. There is no wing of the fascist Republican party that even has the slightest amount of human empathy.

We’re All Murderers Now
David A. French
http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...olitical-blame

Quote:

Bob is dead, and everyone is to blame but Bob.

They say that high blood pressure is the silent killer, and in Bob’s case, they were right. Years ago, Bob lost his health insurance after Republicans repealed Obamacare, so he started skipping his annual checkup. It was too expensive to pay out of pocket, and the free clinics were just too far away and too crowded. Besides, he felt okay. A little tired maybe, but there wasn’t any emergency. At least not until he was running across a rainy Target parking lot, carrying bags of groceries in both arms, and his diseased heart stopped.

Now Bob is dead. Paul Ryan and Donald Trump killed him. The prophecies had come to pass:

But wait. Maybe that’s not right. Bob was overweight, you see, and had been for years. Like so many millions of Americans, Bob had grown up on the government’s food pyramid, and he learned that a low-fat, high-carb diet was the ticket to good health. So he dutifully did what he was told. When his waistline expanded, he switched up his carbs and dropped the Twinkies in favor of healthy treats like nonfat cookies. Still, he got bigger — so big that he was short of breath after walking up even a short flight of stairs. Little did Bob know that those government-endorsed carbs were slowly poisoning him — making him fat, hurting his heart, and preparing him for that fateful day in the Target parking lot.

Now Bob is dead. Then nanny state killed him. Its junk science made him obese.

But wait. That’s not the whole story. Bob was depressed and anxious. He hadn’t had a good job for years, and his once-bright future had crumbled before his eyes. He had a promising career years ago, working with Nokia, a dominant technology company that was thriving selling the one piece of technology that every person in America wanted — a mobile phone. Heck, Bob even heard people were ditching their land lines, buying the most lavish cellular plans, and living exclusively mobile-telephone lives.

Then came January 9, 2007 — the day Steve Jobs introduced the iPhone. If you can imagine Pearl Harbor but without an effective counter-offensive, then you can imagine the effect of the iPhone on Nokia. The company collapsed so thoroughly that books were written about its decline and fall. And when a company collapses, there are human casualties — humans like Bob, who never again regained his career footing. He never again enjoyed that same feeling of hope and opportunity. Depression ate away at his insides, hurting his heart until it couldn’t take even a short sprint in a driving rain.

Now Bob is dead. Steve Jobs killed him. The information age passed him by.

But wait. There’s more. Bob was divorced. His ex-wife lives with his kids an entire state away. She left him five years ago. Her job took her to Nebraska. Bob’s sick, elderly parents were in Oklahoma. He couldn’t bear to leave them, and she told him that she wasn’t going to set aside her career dreams for the sake of his family. She’d sacrificed enough. It was her time now. She had a chance to make something of herself, and he could help her, or he could stay behind.

He stayed behind. She pursued her dreams. And the pain of it all drove him to the bottle, where he downed beer and bourbon until alcohol placed further strains on his broken heart.

Now Bob is dead. Feminists killed him. They taught his wife that career was more important than family.

But really Bob will live on. Not as a flesh-and-blood father, son, and ex-husband but rather as something far more important. He’ll live on as a symbol. More than that, really —he’ll be a political cudgel, a weapon to use to pound your ideological enemies. Because in modern politics, arguments are about extremes, and there is nothing more extreme than death.

Who killed Bob? Let’s first ask this: Whom do you want to blame? Whom do you need to blame? Because we can make almost any allegation work. But there is one thing that we cannot, must not, do. Our politics matter more than his choices. We cannot blame Bob.

05-05-2017 , 09:52 PM

#29847

FlyWf

It's the other way

Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 58,097

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrWookie

The fundamental issue is that elite Democrats are personally wealthy, all their friends are wealthy, and their donors are wealthy.

So they can't actually articulate the issue for the poor. The Republicans offer a solution to people's problems, minorities dun it.

Democrats have to work in all their mealy mouthed appreciation of the market and this halfassed "but maybe, like, something for the poor at Christmas, guv'na" afterthought bull****.