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05-05-2017 , 06:13 PM
WatDahFuk is going on with the Senate Intel Committee now? CNN just reported that Carter Page sent them a nasty letter complaining about Obama's illegal surveillance of him and NOW the committee wants a subpoena to investigate THAT.

They also requested subpoenas for Manafort and Stone. Probably nothing to look at from either of them based on the timing.
05-05-2017 , 06:21 PM
i doubt the subpoena is about the surveillance
05-05-2017 , 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Kirbynator
i doubt the subpoena is about the surveillance
And would you be all that surprised if it is? Let's see how it unravels and how it gets presented.
05-05-2017 , 06:25 PM
Flynn is the huge one everyone seems to be paranoid about.
05-05-2017 , 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Adebisi
Having been through this a couple of times with elderly family members, I think there is a problem with the way options are presented to families. It seems like the default is put them on a ventilator, put in a feeding tube, etc. This goes on for a week or two, until finally the family decides to do the humane thing. Nobody wants to be the one to write off grandma. If the hospital staff had said right from the beginning, "Look, at her age with her health issues, she's not going to be coming back from this. Pursuing further treatment would only prolong her suffering", I think these things would end much more quickly on average. Instead, they make it out that the default with a 94 year old stroke victim with pneumonia is to wait and see what happens. It seems like the no hope conversation happens way too late in the process.
I've been in the icu in a few different hospitals and now in 2 different states. The default in the hospital is always going to be treatment. That said, the people I have worked with have always been good at presenting facts about what is happeneing. So yeah - someone goes into respiratory failure, they'll get tubed in the immediacy of the problem. But later when they're somewhat stable - the care withdrawal conversation does happen. We just don't deal with death in this country well at all.
05-05-2017 , 06:30 PM
1) It is shocking, insanely disingenuous for a right winger to suddenly decide the issue with Obamacare was NOT ENOUGH DEATH PANELS. Are you ****ing kidding me?

2) LOL HastenDan running right along to

2a) Defend awval, a Trump voter defending the AHCA, from the liberal meaniemeans and,

2b) hit Cory Booker for a vote that happened months ago. Yeah, that's the legislator whose health care voting record has me fired up today, Cory ****ing Booker.



For ****'s sake.
05-05-2017 , 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by OmgGlutten!
End of Life care literally has NOTHING to do with Trumpcare or this debate.

Stop trolling. Stop the propaganda.
Yes. This.

And ofc it is no surprise that our resident astroturfer hastendan is leading the misdirection charge. He is a truly sick individual.
05-05-2017 , 06:36 PM
DoubleBarrelFly,

Lol edit your posts some more ya liar. You are unhinged son. I will donate to the Center for Kids Who Can't Read Good and Wanna Learn To Do Other Stuff Good Too in your name.

Your level of dishonesty is astounding, but not surprising.
05-05-2017 , 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by awval999
Honestly, it makes sense to get the high-risk patients off of the individual market. That will enable 95% of the other customers to have cheaper health insurance. They could have used the 3.9 and 0.9 taxes to fully fund the high risk pools. But it's a GOP bill so but nahhh.

Honestly I see the waste around me at work. One patient, terminal case, using $$$$$$ of resources and we could use those resources to cover thousands of others. We wouldn't treat our own pets the way we treat our NICU babies and ICU adults.

So many docs think they can play God and fix what cannot be fixed. So much false hope given to family to get them to agree to churn the patient in the medical health complex.


https://twitter.com/samsteinhp/statu...20737673142272
05-05-2017 , 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl


https://twitter.com/samsteinhp/statu...20737673142272
05-05-2017 , 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
2) LOL HastenDan running right along to

2a) Defend awval, a Trump voter defending the AHCA, from the liberal meaniemeans and,

2b) hit Cory Booker for a vote that happened months ago. Yeah, that's the legislator whose health care voting record has me fired up today, Cory ****ing Booker.
Don't forget 2c) do some creepy stalking of progressive and (I believe?) Bernie supporter einbert
05-05-2017 , 06:44 PM
Trump is literally the worst influence on the worst people. And he's the most powerful person in the world. This cannot end well.
05-05-2017 , 06:45 PM
Oh noes a guy that pathologically lies about me I referenced being an uneducated gamer. To the fainting couch goofy. I am sure you are just as upset about the actual creepy **** your good buddy FlyWf has posted in his attacks on me!
05-05-2017 , 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by HastenDan
Oh noes a guy that pathologically lies about me I referenced being an uneducated gamer. To the fainting couch goofy. I am sure you are just as upset about the actual creepy **** your good buddy FlyWf has posted in his attacks on me!
Hmm, so are you saying that we can something about someone's true principles by different responses to similar stimuli? Fascinating, Dan, do go on.
05-05-2017 , 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by HastenDan
DoubleBarrelFly,

Lol edit your posts some more ya liar. You are unhinged son. I will donate to the Center for Kids Who Can't Read Good and Wanna Learn To Do Other Stuff Good Too in your name.

Your level of dishonesty is astounding, but not surprising.
What did I lie about

1) You defended awval's argument and explicitly attacked his critics

2) You attacked Booker for a vote that occurred months ago

Hell, when has anyone lied about you? Some people were wrong and said you were ikes or AlexM before we all figured out your previous account, but they were honestly mistaken. What lies do people tell about HastenDan? I haven't seen one.
05-05-2017 , 06:57 PM
That he's a right winger, when he is very obviously not.
05-05-2017 , 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by HastenDan
Oh noes a guy that pathologically lies about me I referenced being an uneducated gamer. To the fainting couch goofy. I am sure you are just as upset about the actual creepy **** your good buddy FlyWf has posted in his attacks on me!
You claiming my speedrunning is my education is pretty laughable. You don't know the first thing about me. You have zero clue how far my education goes.
05-05-2017 , 06:59 PM
But have we just decided that everyone who plays games is uneducated? Because that seems pretty bigoted and stupid.
05-05-2017 , 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by AllTheCheese
That he's a right winger, when he is very obviously not.
ATC I don't know why you place a lot of value on "being incredibly easy to fool" but if you give me your email address my uncle who is a Nigerian prince has a business opportunity for you.

But wait, what if he's not a Nigerian prince, you might ask? I can assure with the HIGHEST CONFIDENCE that not only will he be willing to SAY he's a Nigerian prince if asked, if you ask him twice, he'll say it again.
05-05-2017 , 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl


https://twitter.com/samsteinhp/statu...20737673142272
This is ****ing fantastic.

Can you even imagine walking out to take a dip in your swimming pool and you see that?

Like what do you even ****ing do?
05-05-2017 , 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by AllTheCheese
That he's a right winger, when he is very obviously not.
He's a bigly liberoool ldo
05-05-2017 , 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Clovis8
Saddest part of Avwal's galactic stupidity is he claimed he voted trump because he was from some poor rust belt part of the country and he was standing in solidarity. Trump takes steps to pass a bill that will shift billions from the poorest Americans to the richest and total ****ing radio silence from him.

Disgusting.
He claimed trump would lower his taxes. But awval is so stupid and lazy and incapable of doing math, research or any sort of critical analysis that he was unaware that his taxes would only decrease a piddily amount while many studies on trumps proposed tax plan would put him in the sweet spot of taxes rising slightly.

One of his main problems is that he thinks his piddily 100k income makes him some sort of wealthy outlier. And again, this comes down to his inability to properly examine things. He looks around at his podunk town and his brokeass uneducated buddies and actually thinks he is one of the wealthy. surely he is comparatively. but he does not realize that being in the top .1% of that backwater mess does not apply to his overall situation.

and ofc, that is just an analysis of straight dollars and does not take into account economic downturns, or wars, or inflation, or changes to health care that could cost him more money.

and right on cue

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Originally Posted by awval999
Here's the thing Clovis. I repeatedly stated that I thought the AHCA sucks. That removing the 3.8 and 0.9 percent taxes on the rich suck. I am no cheerleader for that bill.

You like to spew anger on things I don't even support.
no dude. you supported this when you voted for trump. that you actually thought something else would happen despite every single smart person on this forum telling you differently, and every singe metric measuring differently is more proof of how clueless you are.
05-05-2017 , 07:07 PM
@Fly: Nah. I'm not easy to fool. I can present evidence, but why bother? Even you don't believe what you're saying. It's just a game. You don't like the poster, and you're determined to dunk on them at every opportunity.

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05-05-2017 , 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by HastenDan
Oh noes a guy that pathologically lies about me I referenced being an uneducated gamer. To the fainting couch goofy. I am sure you are just as upset about the actual creepy **** your good buddy FlyWf has posted in his attacks on me!
I'm unaware of any instances where Fly has creepily followed you to other areas of 2+2 he doesn't even read to dig up personal info about you to condescendingly spring on you later - if I'm wrong, or if einbert has talked about his speedrunning in politards before and I didn't see it, please do let me know.

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Originally Posted by einbert
But have we just decided that everyone who plays games is uneducated? Because that seems pretty bigoted and stupid.
Topically, Dan plays games.
05-05-2017 , 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by AllTheCheese
@Fly: Nah. I'm not easy to fool. I can present evidence, but why waste my time? Even you don't believe what you're saying. It's just a game. You don't like the poster, and you're determined to dunk on them at every opportunity.
I absolutely believe what I'm saying. It's not important or anything, and yeah, dunking is what we do here on two plus two dot com, but I'm sincere.

Not sure why you think Victor and I and like everyone else are insincere but Dan isn't. So you are aware of the concept of lying?

      
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