Wow. Can't believe the far left position of the righties ITT. somone (aka the government) needs to step in and make rational cost effective decisions about health care including an economic consideration of the value of extending life.

It logically then goes to food and wealth distribution- although we could go down the path of lets just kill all the non contributing members of society (as well as take from the rich).

I think overpopulation is a huge problem in the world. I just don't think there is a practical or ethical way to control it-who gets to decide. The planet will eventually shake off a huge number due to disease or natural disaster if we don't do it to ourselves by war or famine.

I'd just rather let Mother Nature decide than some government official or Bond villain.

Seriously.

Trump was handed a list of about two dozen people pre-approved by The Heritage Foundation, then picked one with a Senate prepared to go nuke the filibuster. A 5 year old could have done that.

the republicans, not unreasonably, do NOT want the government in charge of deciding when to cut off health care. however they're ok with letting the so-called free market decide tho. basically republicans consider human life, even american citizens, a commodity to be bought and sold by capitalists

less than 9% of the House Republican delegation is women. LOL women's health rights.

32% of the Dem delegation is women.

It's self-hatred to support this and be a woman.

Hell, it's self-hatred to support this unless you're part of a 1%.

Nah, that was TARP, and it's not close.

Wasn't TARP "only" about $700B while this is closer to $1T?

TARP actually had a purpose and the loans were laid back, this is a fist ****ing

Why would the moderates side with Trump on such a controversial bill? This type of stuff will just result result in it being a dem sweep in 4 years, no?

Sick people just can't die for 4 years I guess

I'm part of the 1% and I'm ****ing enraged. Poor women voting for this clown makes me want to give up. I know why they vote the way they do, but sometimes it's really hard to be their advocate.

Without TARP we would have had a depression. A really bad one. And all the money was repaid. This is the murder of ordinary people to make rich people richer.

Rich coming from the guy that just accused 4 others of being anti-vaxxers. Should we play "cite or ban" with that one, Dan?

Ended up being $426 billion.

Having worked in an icu it is not the doctors thinking they can play god. I have been a part of many family meetings where the doctors point blank tell them theres no hope. Families are the ones driving last ditch efforts.

Conversely, babies in the nicu will make miraculous recoveries and should always have the kitchen sink thrown at them.

The oddest thing about healthcare from a Non-American perspective is how you all talk about it like it's an intractable problem when in fact the rest of the first world solved it long ago.

Nah, we know that. Follow the money for an explanation.

Can I put in a euro requesting cliffs request?

Chiefsplanet it literally incapable of knowing that UHC isn't some crazy brave new world US experiment. When pointed out to them they mutter something about gangbangers and wait times and instantly forget the conversation.

you get stoned in america if you talk about raising muh taxes though

lol America

Trump isn't about to stop at healthcare either. Let's not fool ourselves into thinking this is some sort of one off event. He is constantly patrolling (Obama's) government programs, looking for loose change that he and the other scumbags can pocket. A trillion from the middle class here, 500 billion from the poor there. And they're being completely obvious about it. No, worse. They're yucking it up and celebrating with white sheets and bud light. **** them hard.

Please baby Jesus let there be a way to stop the bleeding and put him away with the other rapists.

Immigrants aren't ruining America. We're doing a perfectly good job of that all by ourselves.

Having been through this a couple of times with elderly family members, I think there is a problem with the way options are presented to families. It seems like the default is put them on a ventilator, put in a feeding tube, etc. This goes on for a week or two, until finally the family decides to do the humane thing. Nobody wants to be the one to write off grandma. If the hospital staff had said right from the beginning, "Look, at her age with her health issues, she's not going to be coming back from this. Pursuing further treatment would only prolong her suffering", I think these things would end much more quickly on average. Instead, they make it out that the default with a 94 year old stroke victim with pneumonia is to wait and see what happens. It seems like the no hope conversation happens way too late in the process.

I still say Canada's approach of executing everyone over 65 works best