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05-05-2017 , 02:31 PM

#29726

wheatrich

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Quote:

Originally Posted by awval999

So many docs think they can play God and fix what cannot be fixed. So much false hope given to family to get them to agree to churn the patient in the medical health complex.

Selling false hope = $$$$$, churches figured it out a long time ago. It's a big problem, the ones that do the TV ads are the worst.

05-05-2017 , 02:43 PM

#29727

raradevils

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Quote:

Originally Posted by True North

Zimmer, Dan, simplicitus, etc. are totally right about the need for a serious conversation on end of life care. Too many people are being left alive in hospitals with no quality of life and no hope because they or (more likely) their families can't let go for whatever reason. More funding needs to go to palliative care.

That being said, it's such an incredibly small sidebar to the misery that's about to heaped on the American people overall that anyone who cites it as a reason this bill is good is completely full of ****.

Hospitals and nursing homes are making sums of money keeping them alive. It's not just the families that want them to keep breathing. From life's experience my brother was in a coma for +30 years and no hope at waking up and bed ridden the whole time but was a ward of the state so there was nothing we could do.

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05-05-2017 , 02:48 PM

#29728

Kirbynator

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Originally Posted by HastenDan

It is brutal man and the whole thing is a crime against humanity. Tax the rich, but even more so the corporations. Close the tax loopholes for these corporations. Massively increase the tax rates. Every level and aspect of the healthcare industry is incentivized to bone the common man. Cheap drugs, fair prices, break the monopolies, put an end to the vampires sucking all of the equity out of the system. The problem is there are too many vampires and they hold all the keys to power.

you know this is the opposite to everything the GOP is, right?

dnc isnt perfect though obviously, but its damn closer to something good.

05-05-2017 , 02:54 PM

#29729

Jules22

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Originally Posted by FlyWf

I hope someone narcs on you and the ensuing drug conviction ruins your life, ****ing insincere concern trolling bull**** like this is offensive, kid. The House is voting to literally kill people tomorrow.

I'm not surprised you hope people are locked in cages by the police, you aren't opposed to police brutality as long as you don't like the people being brutalized I guess.

05-05-2017 , 03:02 PM

#29730

HastenDan

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Kirbynator

you know this is the opposite to everything the GOP is, right?

dnc isnt perfect though obviously, but its damn closer to something good.

Yeah for sure, which is why I am diametrically opposed to the GOP and everything they stand for, and they are unquestionably the enemy of the people. I just happen to have a high level of outrage for corporatist democrats as well and am extremely upset at the DNC for getting their asses whacked up and down every level of government and allowed so much power to be ceded to the GOP.

Like yeah, god damn evil burglers breaking into my house **** those guys, but god damnit why did my neighbor who claims to be on my side help them jimmy open the door and tell them I keep my gold doubloons hidden in a crawlspace in my attic!

05-05-2017 , 03:07 PM

#29731

fuluck414

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Quote:

Originally Posted by HastenDan

It is all bull****. I have friends across every aspect of the healthcare industry and there is not a single one that does not think that the entire system across the board is massively ****ing the common man.

Cory Booker voted against allowing the import of cheap drugs from Canada!

That's a terrible take, he voted against it because there were not enough consumer protections written into it.

He then co sponsored a bill with Sanders and someone else that was essentially the same thing but with better protections.

05-05-2017 , 03:08 PM

#29732

Huehuecoyotl

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We should do what Canada did to keep their heathcare costs down aka lower the percentage of gdp spent on health care and execute everyone at the age of 65

05-05-2017 , 03:13 PM

#29733

Parlay Slow

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Originally Posted by fuluck414

Don't be naive.

05-05-2017 , 03:15 PM

#29734

fuluck414

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Parlay Slow

Don't be naive.

He delves into it pretty deep on the last pod save the people podcast.

Maybe take a look at his voting record and listen to his explanation before jumping to conclusions.

05-05-2017 , 03:19 PM

#29735

champstark

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Quote:

Originally Posted by fuluck414

Take a look at the amount of money Booker takes from big pharma in NJ and get back to us.

05-05-2017 , 03:28 PM

#29736

OmgGlutten!

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End of Life care literally has NOTHING to do with Trumpcare or this debate.

Stop trolling. Stop the propaganda.

05-05-2017 , 03:29 PM

#29737

ScreaminAsian

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trump trumpeting gorsuch as an accomplishment is like playing HORSE against the spoiled rich kid in the neighborhood, and when it's his turn he gets his lackeys to lower the basket to 4 feet, sinks one, and makes a huge deal of celebrating

05-05-2017 , 03:29 PM

#29738

Parlay Slow

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Quote:

Originally Posted by fuluck414

He delves into it pretty deep on the last pod save the people podcast.

Maybe take a look at his voting record and listen to his explanation before jumping to conclusions.

So Cory Booker was just protecting us from the dangers of ingesting the exact same (but much less expensive) pharmaceuticals from Canada?

That's what you believe?

C'mon guy.

05-05-2017 , 03:30 PM

#29739

OmgGlutten!

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Up next, cut education funding by $1 trillion and give it all to the 1% instead:

HastenDan "WHY ARE WE GIVING AWAY SO MANY LOANS FOR MUSIC AND ART DEGREES IF THOSE KIDS WON'T BE ABLE TO FIND JOBS IN THOSE FIELDS WITH THOSE DEGREES???"

05-05-2017 , 03:34 PM

#29740

Zimmer4141

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Quote:

Originally Posted by OmgGlutten!

End of Life care literally has NOTHING to do with Trumpcare or this debate.

Stop trolling. Stop the propaganda.

It's a legitimate part of UHC that needs to be fleshed out and agreed upon before any system is implemented.

Like, at this point we're kind of out of ways to call the AHCA despicable and morally repugnant. So we decided to talk about something else relating to health care. It doesn't mean that anybody involved in that conversation was trying to distract from how awful the AHCA in its present form is.

05-05-2017 , 03:36 PM

#29741

OmgGlutten!

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what did you think that Trumpcare was going to look like awval?
what did you think that Trumpcare was going to look like awval?
what did you think that Trumpcare was going to look like awval?

05-05-2017 , 03:38 PM

#29742

Kirbynator

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its not like awval works in healthcare

05-05-2017 , 03:42 PM

#29743

ScreaminAsian

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Kirbynator

its not like awval works in healthcare

he works close enough to doctors to believe he knows how to do their job better than they do

05-05-2017 , 03:54 PM

#29744

Trolly McTrollson

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Originally Posted by OmgGlutten!

what did you think that Trumpcare was going to look like awval?
what did you think that Trumpcare was going to look like awval?
what did you think that Trumpcare was going to look like awval?

He knew he'd be able to troll liberals online. The rest was just details.

05-05-2017 , 03:58 PM

#29745

Huehuecoyotl

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Originally Posted by Kirbynator

its not like awval works in healthcare

Meh, honestly working in healthcare doesn't mean anyone knows how healthcare works. It's a big elaborate mess.

05-05-2017 , 04:11 PM

#29746

fuluck414

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Parlay Slow

So Cory Booker was just protecting us from the dangers of ingesting the exact same (but much less expensive) pharmaceuticals from Canada?

That's what you believe?

C'mon guy.

I believe after listening to him that he had a very reasoned and logical reason for voting no.

He then introduced essentially the same bill with more consumer protections written in.

Seems reasonable.

Sent from my XT1650 using Tapatalk

05-05-2017 , 04:13 PM

#29747

+rep_lol

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Kirbynator

its not like awval works in healthcare

hes one of those administration types who is just leeching our hard earned money out of the system, adding no value whatsoever

05-05-2017 , 04:17 PM

#29748

bbfg

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I'm late to this party. How did Trump gather enough support to push this through? What was changed vs previous versions where he didn't have the votes?

05-05-2017 , 04:19 PM

#29749

danspartan

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Quote:

Originally Posted by awval999

Honestly, it makes sense to get the high-risk patients off of the individual market. That will enable 95% of the other customers to have cheaper health insurance. They could have used the 3.9 and 0.9 taxes to fully fund the high risk pools. But it's a GOP bill so but nahhh.

Honestly I see the waste around me at work. One patient, terminal case, using $$$$$$ of resources and we could use those resources to cover thousands of others. We wouldn't treat our own pets the way we treat our NICU babies and ICU adults.

So many docs think they can play God and fix what cannot be fixed. So much false hope given to family to get them to agree to churn the patient in the medical health complex.

I know. We could use something called "death panels" to decide who lives and who lives and who dies.

05-05-2017 , 04:22 PM

#29750

Huehuecoyotl

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bbfg

I'm late to this party. How did Trump gather enough support to push this through? What was changed vs previous versions where he didn't have the votes?

He changed the bill to satisfy the Freedom Caucus and the moderates caved

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