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05-04-2017 , 11:14 AM
In b 4 Pelosi quote.
05-04-2017 , 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Money2Burn
In b 4 Pelosi quote.
Yeah, poco, if you just post the Pelosi quote, you're gonna have a bad time.
05-04-2017 , 11:23 AM
He can't provide a citation it's like asking for a citation for the time Bigfoot killed George W. It just didn't happen.

They did rush the bill far too much and they only had a few days to read final version, if memory serves. They did however work on the bill for more than a year.

I just hate the "but they did it defence". If I was dictator of the world that defence would be a capital crime.
05-04-2017 , 11:35 AM
Wasn't there a pdf available and hadn't some people on this form read most of it by the time it was passed?
05-04-2017 , 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by watevs
this is a terrible post
no actually the "magical negro" is satirical/tongue in cheek and he's spot on
05-04-2017 , 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by fuluck414
I was listening to a podcast yesterday (either fake the nation or one of the pod saves) and they were pointing out that back in '13-'14 Trump was getting paid over a million bucks for speaking engagements.

I'm assuming they were lessons for translators to decipher giberish.
This was pointed out all the time during the "Why won't Hilary release the transcripts of her speeches" phase of the election and no one cared. Standard Trump response is just "he was a business man then. Of course he did that, just shows how smart he is. It's different if you did it after leaving public service because she's a *****"
05-04-2017 , 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by watevs
this is a terrible post
Elaborate.

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Originally Posted by Jules22
If Obama is such a wonderful messiah, why did he oversee such a shameful spying program at the NSA? How come we are still in the wars he pledged to end? Why is America still the number one per capita imprisoner of people worldwide (724/100k). But he didn't send federal storm troopers to steal plants from me so HURRAH HES MY MESSIAH
So Jules was going on calling Obama a "wonderful messiah", mocking the people who liked him, indicating that people worshiped him like he was a living deity. He's also probably a racist (apparently you don't see it, but those with half a brain do.) Therefore,

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Originally Posted by 5ive
Magical Negro not magical enough, news at 11 with our #1 anchor, Some Random Idiot Pothead.
was a slam dunk of a post.
05-04-2017 , 11:57 AM
it really was an elite response
05-04-2017 , 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Jules22
Ya but you're telling me I should vote for a bank robber because the other guys a rapist (lol that was a convenient analogy to hijack). How about I don't vote for either scumbag just like I don't like bank robbers or rapists.
Because the ****ing vote was binary. In essence, not voting for the bank robber is supporting the rapist.
05-04-2017 , 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Shuffle
Wow, that is some mental gymnastics. Particularly when Jules was saying "god-Hillary" every other post.
If you want to stretch a single into a double, Jules could also be a misogynist.
05-04-2017 , 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by master3004
Because the ****ing vote was binary. In essence, not voting for the bank robber is supporting the rapist.
The definition of binary aside, bolded is the part you're supposed to focus on/talk about.
05-04-2017 , 12:29 PM
EXCLUSIVE: JOE AND MIKA ARE GETTING HITCHED
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In January, when they went to visit Donald Trump in the White House just a little more than a week after his inauguration, Scarborough and Brzezinski sat down for lunch with the president, Ivanka Trump, and Jared Kushner, ostensibly to talk to their longtime friend about his first week in office and issues related to women. Once the fish and scalloped potatoes had been served, and special sauces delivered directly to Trump were placed on the table, the couple said that the president came up with an idea: If they planned on getting married, they should consider doing so at Mar-a-Lago or the White House, they recalled. “That’s when Jared interrupted and said, ‘Hey, you know what? I’ve got my license. I could marry you,’” Scarborough said. (A White House spokeswoman had no comment.)

According to Scarborough, that’s when Trump snapped from the end of the table, saying: “Why would you marry them? They could have the President of the United States marry them.”
05-04-2017 , 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Shuffle
All I implied was that economic policy has a two way drift and there are undoubtedly times when a government may want to spur investment. I threw that out as a gesture of good will towards Republicans, while otherwise my position was "hey man, inequality has never been worse and we need more progressive tax policies at present time" and he started foaming at the mouth at how Reaganite I sounded.
-edited because i made a mistake-

Last edited by +rep_lol; 05-04-2017 at 12:51 PM.
05-04-2017 , 12:42 PM
House also voting to kill dodd frank.
05-04-2017 , 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Shuffle
I don't think you understand the meaning of the word binary.
How many possible winners of the election were there?
05-04-2017 , 12:48 PM
Glad the religious bill has been signed. What America needs is more power in the hands of people who believe in unicorns and leprechauns.
05-04-2017 , 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Shuffle
Are you arguing that the top marginal tax rate (in any economy, not the current one in your country) should never be lowered? Are you suggesting that economic policy should never encourage investment ? (again, I did not say it would be appropriate in our current economy)
i misread and thought you were subfallen. my fault.
05-04-2017 , 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by poconoder
They weren't even allowed to read the Obamacare bill before having to vote on it.
Pocono, this is false, obviously so, and anyone with even a cursory knowledge of congressional procedure would know it was false. You should think about who you heard this from, because they are lying to you and disrespecting your intelligence, and you should look at any further information from those sources with extreme skepticism.
05-04-2017 , 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Shuffle
Republican health care bill getting killed this morning. Can't see any way this isn't political suicide for them. Especially with the way Wisconsin tilted heavily at the end of the election because of rising Obamacare costs, I think Ryan may not even get re-elected next year.
He won his last re-election 65-30. His closest election was a 12-point win. He's gotten 63% or more 8 out of 10 times. He runs a bigger risk of being primaried than losing a general election.
05-04-2017 , 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Shuffle
Republican health care bill getting killed this morning. Can't see any way this isn't political suicide for them. Especially with the way Wisconsin tilted heavily at the end of the election because of rising Obamacare costs, I think Ryan may not even get re-elected next year.
Are you just ignoring all the reps who have said they will vote yes?
05-04-2017 , 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Shuffle
Are you arguing that the top marginal tax rate (in any economy, not the current one in your country) should never be lowered? Are you suggesting that economic policy should never encourage investment ? (again, I did not say it would be appropriate in our current economy)
i know i mis-quoted you thinking that you were somebody else and that i'm not involved in this discussion, but lowering the top marginal rate does not necessarily correlate with increased investment. generally speaking, where there is a dollar to be made, somebody will jump in and make it. what we do know from the past ~30 yrs in this country is that lowering tax rates really does nothing more than pad the pockets of executives and shareholders.
05-04-2017 , 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by lycosid
Pocono, this is false, obviously so, and anyone with even a cursory knowledge of congressional procedure would know it was false. You should think about who you heard this from, because they are lying to you and disrespecting your intelligence, and you should look at any further information from those sources with extreme skepticism.
She gets **** on for this quote all the time, even though as time passes it only becomes more and more clear that she was absolutely right. Yes, the bill was available to everyone to read online long before it was passed into law.

The Context Behind Nancy Pelosi’s Famous ‘We Have to Pass the Bill’ Quote
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/the-conte...he-bill-quote/
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On NBC News’ Meet the Press Sunday morning, host David Gregory resurrected a favorite right-wing attack on the Affordable Care Act, asking House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) to defend her 2010 comment that “we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of the controversy.”

Gregory’s treatment of the quote was fairer than most, and Leader Pelosi handled the question capably, but it’s worth looking back to see how this became such a popular attack on Obamacare.

That quote, often truncated to “we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it,” or even just paraphrased to hew to the right’s narrative of the quote, has been perverted to mean that the Affordable Care Act was just too many pages, and Democrats just wanted it passed without anyone reading it, and rammed it down America’s throat. While Gregory at least read the whole quote, his interpretation was similar to the narrative that developed over time, that “there was such a rush to get this done—no Republicans voting for it—and now there are unintended effects of this that were foreseen at the time, that you couldn’t know the impact of, and that now this is coming home to roost?”

The influence of that narrative is a testament to the effectiveness of a relentless echo chamber. Here’s how Pelosi’s quote was covered by Politico on the day she made it:

Pelosi: People won’t appreciate reform until it passes

Speaker Nancy Pelosi said Tuesday that people won’t appreciate how great the Democrat’s health plan is until after it passes.

“You’ve heard about the controversies, the process about the bill…but I don’t know if you’ve heard that it is legislation for the future – not just about health care for America, but about a healthier America,” she told the National Association of Counties annual legislative conference, which has drawn about 2,000 local officials to Washington. “But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it – away from the fog of the controversy.”

During a 20-minute speech, she touted benefits she thinks will be tangible to the audience’s employers. She said there’s support for public health infrastructure and investments in community health centers that will reduce uncompensated care that hospitals now need to deliver.

“You know as well as anyone that our current system is unsustainable,” said Pelosi (D-Calif.). “The final health care legislation, which will soon be passed by the Congress, will deliver successful reforms at the local level.”

Almost immediately, though, the conservative media seized on the quote, and perverted it into an indictment of the law’s complexity. The meaning that was so perfectly plain to an objective reporter on that day has been completely lost.
05-04-2017 , 01:07 PM
So what ended up happening? People believed all kinds of lies and horror stories that Republicans told them, pretty much made up out of wholecloth. They believed it and believed it right up until Trump became President and people were faced with the prospect of actually losing ObamaCare, then they finally really started to learn about it. That's why Pelosi's quote turned out to be devastatingly true, in fact truer than she could possibly known when she said it.
05-04-2017 , 01:17 PM
No they wont.

The people that voted for Trump are voting for Republicans. Their representatives voting yes on this bill wont be committing political suicide because the people that vote for R's are ****ing ******ed.
05-04-2017 , 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Shuffle
I don't understand your question, or maybe we are on different pages. I said many of the idiots who vote yes will be committing political suicide.
I actually thought you meant killed legislatively, but on reread I think you just meant killed in the media. If master thought the same, I see where the question comes from. Atm it looks like a pretty solid bet to pass the house

      
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