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The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns. The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns.

05-03-2017 , 10:52 PM
Well, that's not entirely unjustified. There are many people that win no matter what and they're not the people of the country as corps and $ dominate both parties. It's not a fun thing when you're going to booth going "oh which company that's gonna **** me over should I vote for"

Unfortunately people weren't smart enough not to give one of them full control over every ****ing thing.
05-03-2017 , 10:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
Jules2 is a card carrying member of the single most irritating political group in the United States -- that is, the group that justifies its idiotic voting behavior by claiming that both parties/candidates are basically the same, or at least the same on the issues that matter.

I'd rather have a political discussion with a ****ing white supremacist.
Seriously it's, and I don't say this lightly, virtue signaling. Talking that kind of **** is just a way to show off how cool and cynical you are because you're above it all and too pure for the sort of compromises the corrupted normies make.

(It's also absolutely ****ing bull****, since 99% of the time when those people do vote they vote for people with huge skeletons in their closet anyway, cough Ron Paul, but what the ****.)

It's not turd vs. douche, it's Trump vs. Clinton, and if you thought that was a tough call because both suck you're not showing off how morally pure you are, you're showing off how you don't ****ing care.

This from Matt Christman in a recent interview stuck with me:
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There’s this idea that getting upset is bad. It’s a sign that you’re not being reasonable anymore, you’re not being rational, and the real political operators are the ones who are above that kind of thing.
Here's the thing. If you're not upset about Sessions as AG, if you're not upset about the AHCA, that says something about you. And what it says isn't "I'm the objective cynical guy", it says "I'm a selfish piece of **** who only cares about things that directly effect my life"
05-03-2017 , 10:53 PM
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Originally Posted by eyebooger
Can you guys invade Vermont please? I'm sure Trump would let us go.
Canada only has to offer some $ and it's probably done along with maine. Part of me is like has he offered hawaii to china yet for $? Win win for him, he makes $ and some of those annoying dems are gone.
05-03-2017 , 10:59 PM
Oh and anyone making an accelerationist argument that Trump will heighten the contradictions or whatever and result in a wave election for the DSA in 2020 so we get a UBI and single payer and ****?

Tell that to the people who die after the GOP takes away their health insurance. That's a totally valid and reasonable argument on the merits, I accept it, but the only people I'll listen to making it are people who are currently involved in a violent revolution against the state. You make that argument from a prison cell after shooting up a yacht club or firebombing ALEC, sure, but otherwise? That's some Douglas Haig bull****, it's easy to be glib about causalities when nobody you know will be one of them.
05-03-2017 , 11:02 PM
It's something to cling to when there is nothing you can do about it anyway.
05-03-2017 , 11:08 PM
I don't know what to make of Comey's performance today to be honest. He may not be on Trump's side though. MSM is convinced he is, but I'm not.

Pretend you are leading the biggest investigation into the sitting president and you have all this information against him, possibly including some minor incriminating evidence or direct evidence of collusion that you're looking to roll into a case, and this sitting president has already obstructed investigations and talked publicly about taking your job...

How would you act during a public hearing?

I think he has to appear to lean Republican and reveal as little as possible that gets too close to the POTUS. Maybe even distract a bit. No?

Just trying to read into it because there's obviously a bunch we're not being told. Unless I'm glossing over details from today, in which case please show me what's up.
05-03-2017 , 11:10 PM
He keeps saying it was such a tough choice between conceal and speak on the Clinton investigation, but he hasn't said one word about making that choice on the Trump-Russia investigation.
05-03-2017 , 11:32 PM
He can't say 'We got ****ing hooked like the rest of the country and thought Hillary was a lock"

But that's all it boils down to
05-03-2017 , 11:39 PM
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Originally Posted by einbert
He keeps saying it was such a tough choice between conceal and speak on the Clinton investigation, but he hasn't said one word about making that choice on the Trump-Russia investigation.
Yeah, MSM dragging Comey around all day for this. Obviously. But they also criticized the rest of the hearing, like Comey is expected to publicly & substantially speak out against Trump without repercussions. Trump is vicious and doesn't seem to give a **** about busting up every person or investigation against him. It SHOULD catch up with him if there's any justice in this world. And if it doesn't, no big deal that WAAF.
05-03-2017 , 11:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Shuffle
Go down this road? You realize the U.S. has been murdering millions of people all over the world for ~60 years, right? You realize that even domestically, inequality has been increasing for 35 years?

It took you until manchild Trump started yelling at people to realize the reign of terror was already upon you? Or are you still going to turn a blind eye to decades of hypocrisy by believing that everything that is wrong in the world manifested itself in one detestable but impotent clown?
FFS project less you ****ing clown.
05-04-2017 , 12:03 AM
LOL Spicey said today "You people are still talking about the campaign?? Get over it. We won." or something like that. MSNBC just calculated that Trump talked about the campaign 38.6% of his days in office.
05-04-2017 , 12:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Jules22
Pretty insulting when a forums mod can insult someone's race because his feelings were hurt
He said he assumed you were white. You say you're not. How in the **** is your race being insulted? Not even diving in too deep, isn't that the opposite?

This is the smallest example of why you're being insulted; you're just spewing inanities and I'm only halfway through reading it all.

This was also good:

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Originally Posted by Jules22
Don't hold your breath, I just don't ascribe to the prevailing narrative that trump is the robot devil and Hilary and the dems are god and Jesus rolled into one. They both suck, and that's not an endorsement to vote republican. Not sure what else to be but contrarian when everything about our government and political parties is utterly terrible? For now I've settled in borderline anarchist, which is probably a statement on my privilege or something but W/E
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Originally Posted by Jules22
I have paid a lot of federal income taxes, just like a lot of you, and I feel like I have gotten basically nothing back. Interstate highways I guess before someone asks what about the roadzzzzzzz

I mean, come the **** on.
05-04-2017 , 12:06 AM
Get over it and stop redressing your government. WH spokesmen.

Nice.
05-04-2017 , 12:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Jules22
Whats the difference between a hilary loyalist and someone who posts on a politics board to shrilly castigate anyone who did not vote for her? Because there are a bunch of those on this board and i guess its important for me to be able to tell the difference?
The first rule of realpolitik in a democracy: Vote as if it can always get worse.
05-04-2017 , 12:35 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
Seriously it's, and I don't say this lightly, virtue signaling. Talking that kind of **** is just a way to show off how cool and cynical you are because you're above it all and too pure for the sort of compromises the corrupted normies make.

(It's also absolutely ****ing bull****, since 99% of the time when those people do vote they vote for people with huge skeletons in their closet anyway, cough Ron Paul, but what the ****.)

It's not turd vs. douche, it's Trump vs. Clinton, and if you thought that was a tough call because both suck you're not showing off how morally pure you are, you're showing off how you don't ****ing care.

This from Matt Christman in a recent interview stuck with me:


Here's the thing. If you're not upset about Sessions as AG, if you're not upset about the AHCA, that says something about you. And what it says isn't "I'm the objective cynical guy", it says "I'm a selfish piece of **** who only cares about things that directly effect my life"
If you throw in the words "for the most part" between "who" and "only" you are talking about 85% of the population. To win elections in the future one needs to realize that.
05-04-2017 , 12:38 AM
MASSIVE cover-up batair. Anything to draw attention away from probing into last year. Blow up committees, run Nunes-style distraction scandals, call it all a hoax, and now silence public inquiry. And the closer we get to uncovering something important, the more nervously everyone scrambles to shut it down.

Just look at Flynn. Something new comes out about him almost every day, and the responses to it range from freaking out to freezing up completely. Nobody in Trump's camp acts normally when Mike Flynn's name is brought up.

Just tonight I learned that the $530k Flynn-Turkey connection has a link to Russia. We don't know how strong the link is yet, but that's really big news. Trump is hiding some heavy heavy **** from us.
05-04-2017 , 12:51 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
Oh and anyone making an accelerationist argument that Trump will heighten the contradictions or whatever and result in a wave election for the DSA in 2020 so we get a UBI and single payer and ****?

Tell that to the people who die after the GOP takes away their health insurance. That's a totally valid and reasonable argument on the merits, I accept it, but the only people I'll listen to making it are people who are currently involved in a violent revolution against the state. You make that argument from a prison cell after shooting up a yacht club or firebombing ALEC, sure, but otherwise? That's some Douglas Haig bull****, it's easy to be glib about causalities when nobody you know will be one of them.
I'll likely lose my healthcare in 2018, or 2019. I live in a blue state with a Republican governor, so I assume he'll screw us over and pull out of the protections/essential benefits. I have a few pre-existing conditions, such as asthma and sleep apnea, so my health insurance will likely go from ~$4,700 to somewhere in the $15-20K a year range, which is just not something I can afford.

But, there's nothing I can do about that. My silver lining is that if I don't die from my relatively mild pre-existing conditions (sleep apnea does raise the risk of cancer, heart disease/attack, etc), this may usher in single payer more quickly and then I will be okay.

To be clear, I'm NOT rooting for this to pass the House. Every step it takes forward is costing me sleep, stressing me out, and ****ing terrifying me. But, if it passes, I hope the acceleration argument is accurate.
05-04-2017 , 01:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Our House
MASSIVE cover-up batair. Anything to draw attention away from probing into last year. Blow up committees, run Nunes-style distraction scandals, call it all a hoax, and now silence public inquiry. And the closer we get to uncovering something important, the more nervously everyone scrambles to shut it down.

Just look at Flynn. Something new comes out about him almost every day, and the responses to it range from freaking out to freezing up completely. Nobody in Trump's camp acts normally when Mike Flynn's name is brought up.

Just tonight I learned that the $530k Flynn-Turkey connection has a link to Russia. We don't know how strong the link is yet, but that's really big news. Trump is hiding some heavy heavy **** from us.
For sure, i think a bunch are dirty, even trump. But he has been teflon so far in his life so my hopes are not high the Russian stuff is going to stick. Most likely they throw Flynn as a bone and the rest skate by in the republican banana republic investigations.
05-04-2017 , 01:04 AM
Magical Negro not magical enough, news at 11 with our #1 anchor, Some Random Idiot Pothead.

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Originally Posted by Jules22
If Obama is such a wonderful messiah, why did he oversee such a shameful spying program at the NSA? How come we are still in the wars he pledged to end? Why is America still the number one per capita imprisoner of people worldwide (724/100k). But he didn't send federal storm troopers to steal plants from me so HURRAH HES MY MESSIAH
05-04-2017 , 01:06 AM
Et tu wheatrich?

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Originally Posted by wheatrich
If he was one of the better presidents in history people wouldn't have voted trump. Why is this so hard?
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Originally Posted by 5ive
Magical Negro not magical enough, news at 11 with our #1 anchor, Some Random Idiot Pothead.
05-04-2017 , 01:18 AM
400k is nothing. That's just 2 Mar-a-Lago memberships (at the new "presidential" rate).
05-04-2017 , 01:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Shuffle
He was way better than what we have now, but Wheat's point is correct.
Who since Carter is better?

Last edited by batair; 05-04-2017 at 01:32 AM.
05-04-2017 , 01:22 AM
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Originally Posted by poconoder
This is a pretty good take on what is happening in the US. You guys are being pandered to.

The past 100 days have been a disaster — for Democrats

Democrats are completely focused on placating their frothing, left-wing, anti-Trump base — and the American heartland thinks these people are insane. They see women marching in anti-Trump rallies wearing “pussy” hats (and placing them on the heads of young children). They see left-wing mobs attacking Charles Murray at Middlebury College and trying to stop Ann Coulter from speaking at the University of California at Berkeley. They see “Bill Nye the Liberal Guy” — honorary co-chair of the March for Science — raising a question about whether people should be punished for having “extra kids.” (Which of their kids, they wonder, is the “extra” one?) They see a horrible feedback loop of left-wing intolerance for their beliefs and way of life.
And they see Democrats in Washington pandering to these people.
well that was depressing
05-04-2017 , 01:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Jules22
I mean the liberal are the real racists argument certainly wont lose any points when im being called a white oppressor by one liberal poster and an anchor baby by another liberal poster. REAAAALLLLL tolerant
Lestat feels your pain.
05-04-2017 , 01:28 AM
The acceleration narrative vis a vis Trumpcare sounds like false optimism to me. Wouldn't recent US history suggest that the response once Democrats regain power would be to reinstate Obamacare with some minor improvements? Or maybe even some kind of compromise bill that is slightly right of Obamacare depending on the makeup of the House and Senate? Like what is the detailed narrative explaining how single payer somehow emerges from this?

If you think of US healthcare politics as a path from right to left, with the right extreme being a deregulated free market and the left extreme being something like the French system, then Obamacare was a step forward and this new bill is a step back. It will go toward renormalizing the idea that healthcare is a privilege, not a right. In this visual, the notion that AHCA somehow brings us closer to the left extreme requires a literal leap.

      
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