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05-02-2017 , 09:07 PM

#29076

2OutsNoProb

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The nationwide catch-all charge for cops without a clue who have no basis for an arrest but have already decided to make one: "Disorderly and disruptive conduct".

05-02-2017 , 09:15 PM

#29077

wheatrich

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Clovis8

Huh. This has to be a mistake. Prosecuting for what?

Being against the totalitarian regime is a crime worldwide.

05-02-2017 , 09:23 PM

#29078

einbert

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Jeff Sessions is completely out of his mind. I tried to warn you guys before he got confirmed. Remember how I told you, he once prosecuted voting activists in Birmingham for helping people vote.

The Voter Fraud Case Jeff Sessions Lost and Can’t Escape
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/09/m...nt-escape.html

Quote:

When Senator Jeff Sessions of Alabama, Donald J. Trump’s choice for attorney general, answers questions from the Senate Judiciary Committee on Tuesday, he can expect to revisit a long-ago case that has followed him. In 1985, when Sessions was the United States attorney in West Alabama, he prosecuted three African-American civil rights activists, accusing them of voter fraud. The case, more than any other, helped derail Sessions the last time he sought Senate confirmation, when he hoped to become a federal judge in 1986. Yet then and now, Sessions has defended the prosecution as necessary and just. If he had it to do over, Sessions would bring the case again, a Trump transition official told me in December.

To some black leaders who lived through the prosecution, however, it remains a reason, all these years later, for grave concern about a Sessions-led Justice Department. “If he is attorney general, I would not expect the rights of all people, including the least among us, to be protected,” said Hank Sanders, a longtime Alabama state senator. “To understand why, you have to start with that case.”

Albert Turner, Sessions’s chief target, began fighting for the right to vote in West Alabama in the early 1960s, trying to organize other African-Americans after he wasn’t allowed to register because he couldn’t pass a test used to thwart black applicants, even though he had a college education. Beginning in 1965, he served as state director of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference and an adviser to Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., helping to organize a major voting rights demonstration that year. Speaking out and organizing was dangerous at the time. “There’s no explanation in the world as to how I’m still living,” Turner reflected a decade and a half later, in an article in the journal Southern Changes.

Throughout the period, Turner did the day-to-day work of persuading African-Americans in his region — known as the Black Belt for its rich, dark soil — that the Voting Rights Act, enacted in 1965, made it safe, finally, to register to vote.
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The effort was slow going. Growing up under the shadow of Jim Crow, African-Americans remained wary of exercising political power, fearing repercussions from white landowners and employers. In the ’60s, Turner and his wife, Evelyn, along with other activists, formed the Perry County Civic League, which provided food and medicine to rural residents, who were among the state’s poorest, as well as helping them register to vote. Gradually, in Perry and other counties where the black population was 60 percent or higher, black candidates started to run for office, some with the league’s support. But by the early 1980s, a local group, Concerned Citizens of Perry County, and a branch of the White Citizens Council, historically a white supremacist network, were working against Turner’s group to elect what they called a “coalition” of white and black candidates. A handbill from nearby Greene County urged voters to “support good, responsible blacks” to defeat “the radical forces of the black front.”

In Perry County, the polls were only open for four hours in the afternoon, even though nearly one-third of adults worked outside the county and another 15 percent were over the age of 65. White voters used absentee balloting to keep their level of participation high among local residents and also to include some who had moved away. “Letters would go out from white elected officials to a list of people they knew who owned land locally but lived elsewhere: ‘Make sure you vote absentee,’” says Allen Tullos, a historian at Emory University who has written about the Turner case. “The white power structure felt under siege, so there was a sense of ‘We’ve got to call in our friends and families to roll this back.’”

Concerned about white absentee voting from afar, black leaders sent Turner to Washington, to complain to lawyers at the Justice Department, whose job was to enforce the Voting Rights Act. “They said, ‘We can’t do anything,’” Sanders remembers. “‘It’s a gray area in the law. Y’all need to learn to use the absentee-ballot process yourselves.’”

Turner did so, attending workshops in the Alabama attorney general’s office in hopes of increasing turnout among local rural black voters. “Once I learned myself, then it was my job to go out through the area and teach the rest of the counties how the law worked,” he later testified before Congress. The activists started visiting people at home, helping them fill out their ballots and mailing them. In 1982, his work paid off. The number of black absentee voters rose, and in Perry, Greene and three other counties in the Black Belt, black candidates, including those supported by Turner’s group, won majorities on the school board and county commissions.

After the election, the local district attorney convened a grand jury to investigate absentee balloting, focusing only on black voters aided by Turner’s group. The grand jury did not indict anyone. In September 1984, before primary elections, the district attorney and a black candidate from the black-and-white coalition asked for a federal investigation by the United States attorney for Southern Alabama — Jeff Sessions.

Federal prosecutors have enormous discretion over which cases to bring. It’s not clear why a fight among county politicians would have interested them, absent the larger shift in the Black Belt’s racial dynamics. The night before the primary, Sessions stationed an F.B.I. agent outside the Perry County post office. The agent saw Albert and Evelyn Turner and a third activist, Spencer Hogue, mailing hundreds of absentee ballots. The F.B.I. opened the ballots and found 75 with candidate votes they suspected had been erased or re-marked.

The government later lowered the number of disputed ballots to 27, but they still sparked a giant investigation. Ten F.B.I. agents fanned out, interviewing more than 1,000 residents about whether they could read or write, whether anyone helped them vote and whether they had altered their own ballots. The Black Belt includes 10 or so counties; the F.B.I. concentrated on the five in which black voters were making strides toward political ascendance. And in each of the five counties, the government targeted longtime black activists and political leaders — figures like Turner.

In October, as part of the investigation and before the general election, Sessions’s office convened a federal grand jury more than 160 miles south, in Mobile, where the jury pool included more white people. Surrounded by F.B.I. agents and police with guns, about 20 black voters from Perry County, many older and some frail, were taken by bus to Mobile, where they were fingerprinted, photographed and questioned by the grand jury about their votes. “This was the most degrading thing,” the Rev. O.C. Dobynes, who accompanied the voters on the bus, told Congress a year later. “To me, it was just simply saying, We are going to scare you into saying what we want you to say.” Asked by a grand juror whether she’d voted absentee for

the first time in the September primary, a Perry County resident named Fannie Mae Williams answered: “Uh-huh. First and last.” Two other women told the grand jury they were done with voting, according to the book “Lift Every Voice,” by Lani Guinier, a professor at Harvard Law School.

Albert and Evelyn Turner and Spencer Hogue were indicted in January 1985 on 29 counts, for mail fraud, conspiracy to commit voting fraud and voting more than once. Sessions and his assistants claimed the defendants filled out the disputed absentee ballots themselves. Each faced decades in prison. “It was hell,” remembers Evelyn Turner, now 80. (Her husband died in 2000.) “We had always helped people with voting, for ages, and they trusted us. Why would you mess with someone’s ballot, if you knew it wasn’t what they wanted? We weren’t fools.”

https://digitallibrary.tulane.edu/is...tulane%3A53944
http://southernchanges.digitalschola...04/sc07-2_005/
http://kingencyclopedia.stanford.edu...ils_wcc.1.html
http://southernchanges.digitalschola...04/sc07-1_008/
https://www.amazon.com/Lift-Every-Vo.../dp/B005M4VNUK

05-02-2017 , 09:24 PM

#29079

seattlelou

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 2OutsNoProb

Not sure why anyone would think she'd have lost to Jeb. I doubt he'd have awakened the same passions in the rural Rust Belt crowd as Trump did, which means he likely doesn't win PA/WI/MI the given the margins (78K combined votes)

Hillary is a brilliant campaigner and positively electric when compared to Jeb (who I liked).

05-02-2017 , 09:27 PM

#29080

fuluck414

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Clovis8

Huh. This has to be a mistake. Prosecuting for what?

From the huffpo article

Quote:

Fairooz was seated in the back of the room, and her laugh did not interrupt Shelby’s introductory speech. But, according to the government, the laugh amounted to willful “disorderly and disruptive conduct” intended to “impede, disrupt, and disturb the orderly conduct” of congressional proceedings. The government also charged her with a separate misdemeanor for allegedly parading, demonstrating or picketing within a Capitol, evidently for her actions after she was being escorted from the room.*

05-02-2017 , 09:35 PM

#29081

Clovis8

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Originally Posted by fuluck414

From the huffpo article

I seriously hate these people more than I can articulate. I will be throwing a huge party as each either dies or is imprisoned.

05-02-2017 , 09:37 PM

#29082

Jbrochu

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Good news is that we're losing our freedoms so fast Moooslims will no longer have a reason to hate us.

05-02-2017 , 09:38 PM

#29083

RV Life

old hand

Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 1,935

On the board behind Bannon it says

Create 100% Repatriation Tax.

What is that? Are they basically trying not to tax money made overseas?

05-02-2017 , 10:11 PM

#29084

HastenDan

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05-02-2017 , 10:26 PM

#29085

Clovis8

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Shuffle

Blibbity blabbity black'ns done negroed up this stuff.

What I read

05-02-2017 , 10:28 PM

#29086

Clovis8

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Noted forum bigly liberal Dan cheering the downfall of Fox as expected.

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05-02-2017 , 10:31 PM

#29087

Kirbynator

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roger stone vs hannity is the fight that we hope both succumb to their wounds after a lot of pain?

05-02-2017 , 10:39 PM

#29088

TheHip41

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Originally Posted by suzzer99

U.S. ends ban on importing Argentine lemons, angering California citrus growers

Lol Central Valley farmers who supported Trump. Congratulations, you played yourself.

Eagerly awaiting the announcement of trump towers Buenos Aires

05-02-2017 , 10:54 PM

#29089

Clovis8

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Shuffle

Calling a racist racist is racist

This one will be yours.

05-02-2017 , 10:56 PM

#29090

watevs

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Roger stone is like the only person in all of this that I find remotely likeable or trustworthy, mostly based off his Bill Maher appearance.

I'm not saying he hasn't done shady stuff but if he has, he is unique among his peers in his ability to come off as a cool customer

Also this quoting and changing is ****ing stupid, just ignore or move on

05-02-2017 , 11:09 PM

#29091

King_of_NYC

betting he never calls me again

Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 4,431

Hill won tho

05-02-2017 , 11:11 PM

#29092

TheHip41

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Shuffle

Calling a racist racist is racist.

Interesting point

05-02-2017 , 11:28 PM

#29093

OmgGlutten!

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Shuffle and Dan are the most liberal people on this forum. Die hard progressives.

05-02-2017 , 11:30 PM

#29094

Clovis8

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Quote:

Originally Posted by OmgGlutten!

Shuffle and Dan are the most liberal people on this forum. Die hard progressives.

Bigly so indeed

05-02-2017 , 11:36 PM

#29095

+rep_lol

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Quote:

Originally Posted by watevs

you can't be serious. some of his recent work on twitter-

can't embed this one, it's real nice tho-
https://twitter.com/RogerJStoneJr/st...57386850676738

but yea, real likeable and cool under pressure this guy is. what a ****ing joke, be ashamed of yourself.

he isn't too old to get raped/abused in prison.

05-02-2017 , 11:38 PM

#29096

OmgGlutten!

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the mother ****er has Nixon tattoos. him and Pat Buchanan can both get ****ed.

05-02-2017 , 11:42 PM

#29097

KellyRae

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Quote:

Originally Posted by King_of_NYC

Hill won tho

Lol. No, she didn't. But I'm sure many in this forum will say no one is making your claim.

05-02-2017 , 11:46 PM

#29098

watevs

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hadn't seen his work on twitter, and I made it pretty clear where I had encountered him mostly

interestingly enough i think it looks more innocent to go ham on people on twitter than it does to cover up and avoid questions. Never said he was anything close to a or my role model

Also pretty hard to pass up on the irony of in the same breath telling someone to be ashamed of themself and then advocating for prison rape