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05-01-2017 , 07:21 AM

#28726

TheHip41

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Quote:

Originally Posted by .isolated

I did. I stopped following him since he's such a raging tard trying to incite an assassination. Read his tweets from late-January through mid-February (when I unfollowed) and I'm sure you'll see them. They were not infrequent.

I'd hope you know from my frustrating post yesterday that I'm not anywhere close to a Trump supporter. I'm simply pointing out that both sides are calling for violence. Whether it's Mr. King or someone else, it doesn't matter but Mr. King has done so and the evidence is out there if you care enough.

edit: I don't know how to look through replies on twitter and can't see the original post (but can see my own post about the violence he's trying to incite) but he posted one on 11/27 and 11/29 of last year. I only posted in those tweets because he was posting so much to incite violence. I'll amend my " late-January through mid-February" to mid-November through sometime in December.

edit2: I really can't figure out how to see more than ~10 replies per tweet so I can't find his original **** but you got the dates.

We aren't going to find a source for you.

05-01-2017 , 07:31 AM

#28727

425kid

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Quote:

Originally Posted by markksman

Espn' issues don't have to do with ratings. They overpaid for multiple large sports contracts on their basis their subscriber base would remain flat. However because a significant number of people cut the cord the number went down and they have seen revenues drop close to 500 million a year from less subscriber fees paid to them by the cable and satellite providers.

Anyone who says it's because of espns politics is an idiot. Espn paid more than any network for their NFL package yet they have the WORST packages of the four. They might have overpaid by 500 million to 800 million for Monday night football alone.

As for ratings I suspect their bell cow of Sports Center no loner brings in viewers because most people can get all the information that sports center provides online and on demand.

One take I read on the layoffs is the salaries cut won't make a real dent in the black hole of money sucking them in and the layoffs are more to portray an image of aggressive action to shareholders. Not sure I buy it but it's possible.

But the espn politics and sjw take is just more evidence how blindly people will regurgitate something stupid without even thinking about it at all. I've seen people all over the place instantly triggered by that. It's so amazing.

Yeah. A company is struggling because young people are rejecting their business model en masse, and because youtube and twitter are infinitely better platforms for sports highlights.

And yet so many people are saying the issue is that they aren't showing enough respect for white old men, and "SJWsssss". Lol olds. Lol pundits

05-01-2017 , 07:31 AM

#28728

danspartan

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Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 3,851

To his peeps it doesn't matter whats in the spending bill, it only matters what he talks about. That rally shot is seriously scary. You always think "that can't happen here" but it can. Obv.

If you are in the younger generation, make sure you vote in every election and get all your friends to vote. Its the only way to stem the tide of the olds and the dumbs.

05-01-2017 , 07:51 AM

#28729

SuperUberBob

Not interesting enough

Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 48,217

Quote:

Originally Posted by danspartan

I can't be the first one to make this comparison, but I see this in our future if we continue down this road:

05-01-2017 , 08:12 AM

#28730

DudeImBetter

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 13ball

The only thing that Republicans as a whole truly care about is getting tax cuts for rich people. Full stop. Everything else they pretend to care about is just a strategy to get tax cuts for rich people. They are not even particularly racist--it's just that they can use racism to get tax cuts for rich people.

Sure, a guy here or there cares about abortion or sharia law or immigration or monogamous gays--but to most of them its just about staying in power so they can get those juicy tax cuts.

Which is why Trump makes perfect sense.

That's also why the tax deal is the one thing you can guarantee will get done.

GOP electorate = Very racist and bigoted as a group.

GOP establishment politicians = Maybe less racist as a group, but deliberately stoke the racial resentment amongst base to garner support in order to maintain power and enact Prime Imperative...tax cuts for the wealthy.

05-01-2017 , 08:31 AM

#28731

FlyWf

It's the other way

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Trump is, above all else, a total ****ing moron

05-01-2017 , 08:48 AM

#28732

fatkid

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Quote:

Originally Posted by .isolated

Shaun King's tweets are posted itt sometimes and he's clearly advocating violence against Trump and supporters in a bunch of tweets. Both sides are at fault in this train wreck.

Citation please?

05-01-2017 , 08:53 AM

#28733

TheHip41

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Quote:

Originally Posted by fatkid

Citation please?

He said it was November 2016 and go find it for him

05-01-2017 , 09:00 AM

#28734

master3004

Revisionist Historian

Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 56,466

Quote:

Originally Posted by .isolated

Shaun King's tweets are posted itt sometimes and he's clearly advocating violence against Trump and supporters in a bunch of tweets. Both sides are at fault in this train wreck.

Did you just compare the influence of a writer to that of a sitting president?

05-01-2017 , 09:01 AM

#28735

FlyWf

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I'm pretty sure King would've gotten fired from the Daily News if he was actually inciting violence, and a brief search of Twitchy doesn't pull up any attempts by conservatives to get him fired for inciting violence.

05-01-2017 , 09:16 AM

#28736

FlyWf

It's the other way

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I ****ed up my previous attempt to embed this, but seriously, what the ****

05-01-2017 , 09:19 AM

#28737

einbert

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Trump is literally trolling us with a "why not slavery" this morning. Lovely.

05-01-2017 , 09:25 AM

#28738

Clovis8

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100% trump couldn't name the two sides in the Civil War.

05-01-2017 , 09:32 AM

#28739

JonnyA

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisV

Holy **** that Shaun King guy tweets a lot. I started scrolling back through his posts, went through like 6 screenfulls and it was still only like 16 hrs ago. Don't know how to search for tweets from a specific time range.

https://twitter.com/search-advanced?lang=en

It looks all his tweets from 11/27 to 11/29 are gone.

edit - I'm assuming this is what he is referring to

https://www.louderwithcrowder.com/sh...lm-kidnapping/

Nothing about inciting violence, but just that he didn't sufficiently care about the white guy that got attacked on Facebook live.

Last edited by JonnyA; 05-01-2017 at 09:38 AM.

05-01-2017 , 09:34 AM

#28740

hornbug

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Join Date: Jun 2015 Posts: 657

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clovis8

100% trump couldn't name the two sides in the Civil War.

nonsense, whether he said the winners v. the losers or he said the Republicans v. the Democrats he would be right.

05-01-2017 , 09:44 AM

#28741

crimedopay420

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Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 465

Just more projection from Trump. There had to be quite a few people telling him that another civil war was coming if he keeps making speeches tailored to Nazis, so he's on damage control now.

05-01-2017 , 09:51 AM

#28742

pvn

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Quote:

Originally Posted by suzzer99

Economic Anxiety! (IE - why am I not at the front of the line for handouts)

this is really bad for GOP midterms.

05-01-2017 , 09:51 AM

#28743

champstark

aka starkwired

Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 14,838

Quote:

Originally Posted by JonnyA

If this is it, this should be an autoban.

05-01-2017 , 10:08 AM

#28744

einbert

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Historian Timothy Snyder: “It’s pretty much inevitable” that Trump will try to stage a coup and overthrow democracy
http://linkis.com/www.salon.com/2017/0/aD9L9

Quote:

In my writing and interviews, I have consistently referred to Donald Trump as a fascist. I have received a great deal of resistance to that claim. Do you think this description is correct? If not, then what language should we use to describe Donald Trump?

One of the problems with American discourse is that we just assume everybody is a friendly democratic parliamentarian pluralist until proven otherwise. And then even when it’s proven otherwise we don’t have any vocabulary for it. He’s a “dictator,” he’s an “authoritarian,” he’s “Hitler.” We just toss these words around. The pushback that you are talking about is 95 percent bad. Americans do not want to think that there is an alternative to what we have. Therefore, as soon as you say “fascism” or whatever it might be, then the American response is to say “no,” because we lack the categories that allow us to think outside of the box that we are no longer in.

Is this a function of American Exceptionalism?

Yes, it is. We made a move towards intellectual isolationism in a world where no kind of isolationism is possible. The fact that democracies usually fail is a rule which can’t apply to us. If you examine American society, there are high points and low points. But there is certainly nothing which puts us in a different category than other people who have failed, whether it’s historically or whether it’s now.

I don’t want to dodge your question about whether Trump is a fascist or not. As I see it, there are certainly elements of his approach which are fascistic. The straight-on confrontation with the truth is at the center of the fascist worldview. The attempt to undo the Enlightenment as a way to undo institutions, that is fascism. Whether he realizes it or not is a different question, but that’s what fascists did. They said, “Don’t worry about the facts, don’t worry about logic, think instead in terms of mystical unities and direct connections between the mystical leader and the people.” That’s fascism. Whether we see it or not, whether we like it or not, whether we forget, that is fascism.

Another thing that’s clearly fascist about Trump were the rallies. The way that he used the language, the blunt repetitions, the naming of the enemies, the physical removal of opponents from rallies, that was really, without exaggeration, just like the 1920s and the 1930s.

And Mr. [Steve] Bannon’s preoccupation with the 1930s and his kind of wishful reclamation of Italian and other fascists speaks for itself.

How did the news media and others get this so wrong? Why did they underestimate the threat posed by Donald Trump and his movement?

What we ended up with, from Bill Clinton onward, is a status-quo party and an “undo the system” party, where the Democrats became the status-quo party and the Republicans became the “undo the system” party. In that constellation it’s very hard to think of change because one party is in favor of things being the way they are, just slightly better, and the other party has this big idea of undoing everything, although it’s unclear what that really means in practice. So no one is actually articulating how you address the problems of the day, the greatest of which would be inequality. When neither party is creative, then it’s hard for scholars to get their ideas into meaningful circulation.

Why is Trump not being held accountable for all of his failures, scandals and incompetence?

Mr. Trump is primarily a television personality. As such, he is judged by that standard. This means that a scandal does not call forth a response, it calls forth the desire for a bigger scandal. It just whets the appetite for a bigger scandal because a television serial has to work on that logic. It’s almost as though he has to produce these outrageous things, because what else would he be doing?

I think another part of it has to do with attention span. It’s not so much a lack of outrage — people are in fact outraged. But in order for a scandal to have political logic, the outrage has to be followed by the research, it has to be followed by the investigation, it has to be followed by an official finding.

In your book you discuss the idea that Donald Trump will have his own version of Hitler’s Reichstag fire to expand his power and take full control of the government by declaring a state of emergency. How do you think that would play out?

Let me make just two points. The first is that I think it’s pretty much inevitable that they will try. The reason I think that is that the conventional ways of being popular are not working out for them. The conventional way to be popular or to be legitimate in this country is to have some policies, to grow your popularity ratings and to win some elections. I don’t think 2018 is looking very good for the Republicans along those conventional lines. Not just because the president is historically unpopular. It’s also because neither the White House nor Congress have any policies which the majority of the public like.

This means they could be seduced by the notion of getting into a new rhythm of politics, one that does not depend upon popular policies and electoral cycles.

Whether it works or not depends upon whether when something terrible happens to this country, we are aware that the main significance of it is whether or not we are going to be more or less free citizens in the future.

My gut feeling is that Trump and his administration will try and that it won’t work. Not so much because we are so great but because we have a little bit of time to prepare. I also think that there are enough people and enough agencies of the government who have also thought about this, and would not necessarily go along.

05-01-2017 , 10:11 AM

#28745

wheatrich

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andrew jackson had a big heart, that's why he ignored the judges block and reaccommodated native americans.

05-01-2017 , 10:19 AM

#28746

SuperUberBob

Not interesting enough

Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 48,217

Quote:

Originally Posted by wheatrich

andrew jackson had a big heart, that's why he ignored the judges block and reaccommodated native americans.

He also loved blacks so much that he paid for over 150 black people and fed them. All he asked for a hard day's work in exchange. What a kind soul he had.

Have to imagine that some redneck supporter mentioned this to him and he just parrotted his interpretation of it. Historical revision might make for a good movie setting but it sucks in real life.

05-01-2017 , 10:31 AM

#28747

rtd353

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Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 3,897

Quote:

Originally Posted by champstark

If this is it, this should be an autoban.

Lol

05-01-2017 , 10:32 AM

#28748

kre8tive

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Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 2,114

Quote:

Originally Posted by OmgGlutten!

Don't worry they are a bunch of pussies who always look for a female to rough up.

Not true, these nutjobs fostered Timothy McVeigh who treated the Turner Diaries like gospel and blew up the federal building just like he read in the book. The Order, a bunch of white seperatists linked to that movement were the ones robbing banks and eventually gunning down a jewish radio personality (forgot his name, too lazy to look) in Colorado.

There is more of a domestic terrorism threat by these hate mongers than radical islamics.

05-01-2017 , 11:03 AM

#28749

master3004

Revisionist Historian

Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 56,466

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlyWf

I ****ed up my previous attempt to embed this, but seriously, what the ****

What a ****ing idiot. He's a truly stupid person. He learned the lesson early "Pretend like you are supposed to be there and nobody will hassle you" and now applies it to every single thing that comes out of his mouth.