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The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns. The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns.

04-30-2017 , 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by 2OutsNoProb
It's amazing that he can continue to get away with this. How long can he go on claiming he's not releasing them because of an "audit"?
Nobody did or will do a damn thing about it so forever.
04-30-2017 , 05:50 PM
The part I like is how it's both routine and nobody else has ever been audited so much. Trump is the world champion of cognitive dissonance.
04-30-2017 , 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by wheatrich
Nobody did or will do a damn thing about it so forever.
Somebody is trying to do something about it. Unfortunately Republicans have blocked Democrats on this about eight times already this year.

Republicans vote to block resolutions on Trump's tax returns\
http://thehill.com/policy/finance/32...ps-tax-returns
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The House and its tax-writing committee voted on Tuesday to block Democratic resolutions demanding President Trump’s tax returns.

The votes were the latest of many Democratic attempts to get Congress to request Trump’s tax returns. While none of the attempts have been successful so far, Democrats are pushing the topic to force Republicans to go on the record about Trump.

During a markup that got heated at times, the House Ways and Means Committee rejected a measure to direct the Treasury Department to provide the House with Trump’s tax returns and other financial information.

The panel voted to report the measure to the House floor “unfavorably” on a party-line vote of 24-16.

The Ways and Means vote occurred after Rep. Bill Pascrell (D-N.J.) offered a “resolution of inquiry” that would have gotten a House floor vote if it wasn’t considered in committee within 14 legislative days.

The resolution would have directed Treasury to provide the House with 10 years of Trump’s tax returns. It also would have instructed Treasury to provide documents it has about any debts Trump has that are held by foreign governments, any investments Trump has in foreign companies and businesses and any use by Trump of tax loopholes.

Pascrell and other Democrats argued that it’s important to review Trump’s tax returns to learn more about the president’s relationship with Russia and potential business conflicts. They also argued that it’s important to learn how Trump would be affected by tax-reform legislation.

“If there ever were a president who needed to disclose his tax returns, it’s President Donald Trump,” said Rep. Sandy Levin (D-Mich.).

But Republican lawmakers argued that the resolution was a political effort and that requesting Trump’s tax returns raises privacy concerns that could set a bad precedent.
04-30-2017 , 06:07 PM
The best excuse IMO was the time(s?) Trump tried to convince a Bible belt audience that he gets audited every year because he's too Christian.
04-30-2017 , 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by einbert
Somebody is trying to do something about it. Unfortunately Republicans have blocked Democrats on this about eight times already this year.
Those must be some of the nobodies who care about his taxes. Obviously all reporters planted in Congress seats and at Town halls.
04-30-2017 , 06:36 PM
Trump should just release them. It's not like his base will turn on him. They'll be insanely jelly he made so much money and paid so little taxes. If anything, it will probably boost his popularity for "sticking it to the man".
04-30-2017 , 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by RV Life
Trump should just release them. It's not like his base will turn on him. They'll be insanely jelly he made so much money and paid so little taxes. If anything, it will probably boost his popularity for "sticking it to the man".
If it confirms that Trump was in cahoots with Russians, then it could lead to his impeachment.

Otherwise, release them.
04-30-2017 , 06:39 PM
He won't release them because it would show just how much his new tax plan would benefit him. Hint: A lot. We already sort of know this because of the Maddow tax returns.
04-30-2017 , 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by SuperUberBob
If it confirms that Trump was in cahoots with Russians, then it could lead to his impeachment.

Otherwise, release them.

Yea, that's the only reason not to do it.
04-30-2017 , 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by einbert
He won't release them because it would show just how much his new tax plan would benefit him. Hint: A lot. We already sort of know this because of the Maddow tax returns.
Well yea, I know that. And you know that. But his base doesn't care. Hell, they love it.
04-30-2017 , 06:51 PM
04-30-2017 , 06:51 PM
Assuming Trump is rational (go ahead, lay it on me) then the consequence of releasing his taxes is obviously worse than the heat he's taking now. That includes the extra heat from tens of thousands of people marching in protest and surrogates having to awkwardly battle the media.

What's hidden in his tax returns is probably much bigger than just a few missing charitable donations.
04-30-2017 , 06:51 PM
He wants the IRS to commit to never audit him or his family again.

This negotiation tactic might just work. GOAT negotiator.
04-30-2017 , 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by RV Life
Yea, that's the only reason not to do it.
There's three (and only) three reasons why Trump wouldn't want to release tax returns:

1. Russian collusion
2. He is ashamed of the income
3. He uses aggressive tax minimization techniques and doesn't want those loopholes closed
04-30-2017 , 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by hornbug
He wants the IRS to commit to never audit him or his family again.

This negotiation tactic might just work. GOAT negotiator.
Federal law states the President and Vice-President are audited every year.
04-30-2017 , 06:56 PM
Russian collusion isn't gonna be on his tax returns. His business corruption is mostly elsewhere.

He used to money launder for them tho with his casinos and that didn't even bring him down, so expecting something on there (there probably is) and then something from there to actually happen is naive. It never happened before, why would it now?

imo, he's never gonna reveal them--getting people to focus on his taxes rather than all the other worse stuff he's been doing has only benefited him. People keep saying he's stupid, and he is about almost everything but he's way smarter than all of you at this politics stuff. He's got everyone looking where he wants them to rather than where people should be looking.

You guys keep looking for this gotcha smoking gun, there isn't going to be one on his taxes period. You expecting a line item Russian Corruption or something? ffs.

You guys still haven't learned yet. I figured this out. He's fully aware people don't have attention spans other than one specific thing and you're all up about his taxes, morons.

Not that it matters anyway, he got away with it before.

If there's nothing obvious or easily proven there, he's been brilliant hiding it since now he just can drop them before 2020 election and every liberal deservedly looks like the biggest idiot in the world.

Last edited by wheatrich; 04-30-2017 at 07:06 PM.
04-30-2017 , 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by awval999
Federal law states the President and Vice-President are audited every year.
former presidents?

children of presidents?
04-30-2017 , 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by hornbug
former presidents?

children of presidents?
I think just "current"
04-30-2017 , 07:04 PM
I've never understood the "tax returns will expose Russian stuff" angle. To my knowledge there is zero requirement for disclosure of creditors and/or business partners via tax returns.
04-30-2017 , 07:09 PM
Trump administration pressured the government of Argentine President Mauricio Macri to rescind an award to former Democratic President Jimmy Carter. Carter, a frequent critic of the authoritarian tendencies of the Trump administration, was set to be honored by Argentina with the Order of the Liberator General San Martín, the equivalent to America’s Medal of Freedom, however, the Trump administration moved to squash this.

Seriously, there's a vindictive childish authoritarian neo-nazi president in the white house and you're all spending energy on his taxes? Good lord, we're doomed.
04-30-2017 , 07:09 PM
Who knows? Maybe his tax returns show ALL of the things we're imagining and not just one. Yikes!
04-30-2017 , 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
There would of been treason trials by now.
04-30-2017 , 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by wheatrich
Trump administration pressured the government of Argentine President Mauricio Macri to rescind an award to former Democratic President Jimmy Carter. Carter, a frequent critic of the authoritarian tendencies of the Trump administration, was set to be honored by Argentina with the Order of the Liberator General San Martín, the equivalent to America’s Medal of Freedom, however, the Trump administration moved to squash this.

Seriously, there's a vindictive childish authoritarian neo-nazi president in the white house and you're all spending energy on his taxes? Good lord, we're doomed.
Vindictive, childish, authoritarian, and neo-nazi won't get him evicted. Taxes might.
04-30-2017 , 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by synth_floyd
How do you fix that problem? Millions of people are just completely clueless about the reality of what is going on in the world. And there are plenty of politicians who are both exploiting and fomenting that ignorance.
You answered your own question IMO.

I think the way to do that is create an enemy (the 1%), and then talk about how you'll save them from it. Use small words, and never go off message.
04-30-2017 , 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by awval999
There's three (and only) three reasons why Trump wouldn't want to release tax returns:

1. Russian collusion
2. He is ashamed of the income
3. He uses aggressive tax minimization techniques and doesn't want those loopholes closed
Yet you still fully support him. Please **** off and never post here again. Ok.

      
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