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The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns. The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns.

04-30-2017 , 12:43 PM
Interviewers are always softies on Face the Nation because they want politicians to come back on the show. If their guests constantly get burned when they go on, then FtN will never have political guests on the air.
04-30-2017 , 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
These are all fine. You still happy with your undertitle, or would you be interested in an update?
Nah, I'm good. Thanks!

Now if there's any way to get purpled, that would be so nice.
04-30-2017 , 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by SuperUberBob
Interviewers are always softies on Face the Nation because they want politicians to come back on the show. If their guests constantly get burned when they go on, then FtN will never have political guests on the air.
On the healthcare/pre-existing conditions/leaving it to the states line of questioning, I thought Dickerson did a pretty good job, given he has to work within the context you describe.
04-30-2017 , 01:07 PM
The interviewers at BBC seem to ask tough questions, openly disbelieve replies, and still get guests.

"On Bended Knee" is a good book on this subject during the Reagan admin. The politicians need the media and some of the media needs access. In a little game of chicken the media is the party that folds though as they compete among themselves.
04-30-2017 , 01:07 PM


we're all gonna die way before 18 months.
04-30-2017 , 01:15 PM
No we'll be fine. But a lot of Koreans might die.
04-30-2017 , 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by wheatrich


we're all gonna die way before 18 months.
I think that makes nuclear war sounds less likely than it is. NK definitely can't kill all of us, almost certainly can't hit any US territory and is a coinflip at best to successfully deliver a nuke to SK or Japan.

I hope it's still very unlikely for us to do a first strike, but Donald Trump will be weighing the risk to present day Koreans (north and south) and Japanese and will certainly have at least one person in his ear saying "in 5 years NK will be able to hit the US."
04-30-2017 , 01:18 PM
I read something from some State Dept. veteran that the biggest fear was escalating conventional war between the US and N Korea w/S Korea as the whipping boy. I could totally see Trump getting pulled into that.

KJI isn't going to launch nukes unless *maybe* he's about to get regime changed. He knows damn well what will happen if he nukes anything.
04-30-2017 , 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
The interviewers at BBC seem to ask tough questions, openly disbelieve replies, and still get guests.
BBC is a public broadcasting service. Unlike private media outlets like CNN and Fox News, they are performing a public service rather than trying to get the highest ratings possible so they can generate more ad revenue. They can take politicians to task because there's no risk of bankruptcy or losing money.

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Originally Posted by suzzer99
KJI isn't going to launch nukes unless *maybe* he's about to get regime changed. He knows damn well what will happen if he nukes anything.
This is probably why Trump's administration feels confident in pushing NK harder than his predecessor. Kim Jong-Un has to know that any attack on Seoul will result in him getting ousted from power. So if staying in power is the goal of the Kim dynasty, it pays to use artillery and their nuclear program as bargaining chips rather than weapons.

Thing is that other than Trump being able to thump his chest on how much tougher he is on NK compared to Obama, I don't see how America necessarily gains from increased aggression on the Korean peninsula.

Last edited by SuperUberBob; 04-30-2017 at 01:28 PM.
04-30-2017 , 01:25 PM
On the domestic front, nuking NK I think would make upheaval pretty likely. Revolution, a coup, Trump disempowers congress and the states and years of martial law, something.

It should all be tremendously unlikely, but we have an idiotic POTUS with no understanding of consequences and this is one area where he doesn't need anyone else's ok.
04-30-2017 , 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by SuperUberBob
BBC is a public broadcasting service. Unlike private media outlets like CNN and Fox News, they are performing a public service rather than trying to get the highest ratings possible so they can generate more ad revenue. They can take politicians to task because there's no risk of bankruptcy or losing money.
For sure. Corporate weasels are gonna weasel.
04-30-2017 , 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
I think that makes nuclear war sounds less likely than it is. NK definitely can't kill all of us, almost certainly can't hit any US territory and is a coinflip at best to successfully deliver a nuke to SK or Japan.

I hope it's still very unlikely for us to do a first strike, but Donald Trump will be weighing the risk to present day Koreans (north and south) and Japanese and will certainly have at least one person in his ear saying "in 5 years NK will be able to hit the US."
If I lived in Japan or South Korea, this post would scare the **** out of me.
04-30-2017 , 01:53 PM
Another problem for SK is Trump doesn't give a **** about them. He's racist at home which means he's racist abroad. If people in SK die, it's collateral damage.
04-30-2017 , 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
It will take time and a few disasters - just like it did with GWB. The funny thing is people were utterly sick of GWB in 2006 and the economy hadn't collapsed yet. It's almost like there's a pendulum cycle and what presidents do doesn't even have much impact. I'm just hoping Trump will accelerate the cycle because he's so ****ing terrible.
Trump will eventually become old news and people go on w/ their lives. Famous people jump the shark too. People have been frothing about him for 2 years now. Like all gimmicks, you can only hold attention for so long.
04-30-2017 , 02:20 PM
Not all gimmicks can drop nukes on people.
04-30-2017 , 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by RV Life
Another problem for SK is Trump doesn't give a **** about them. He's racist at home which means he's racist abroad. If people in SK die, it's collateral damage.
then he'll bill the survivors for saving them

it wasn't NK I'm worried about striking US here, we've got questions that nobody's considering like

Is china really gonna allow trump to nuke next door to them without any consequence? China has pledged to defend NK btw. (they have to be regretting that atm) Yeah I don't believe china's gonna go full war with US to save NK either, but what if something goes awry? Not like that's never happened before with these military people and donald trump is in charge. Something is going to go wrong.

We need someone to explain to trump that SK/Japan made his televisions, can't upgrade them if bad things happen to them. Then he might care about them a little.
04-30-2017 , 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by RV Life
He's racist at home which means he's racist abroad. If people in SK die, it's collateral damage.
That was the case with civilians in the Middle East and Obama but I wouldn't call him racist.
04-30-2017 , 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by SuperUberBob
That was the case with civilians in the Middle East and Obama but I wouldn't call him racist.
Obama it was nationalism in the sense that as long as Americans were not dying he didn't care. This is a LONG standing tradition in America.
04-30-2017 , 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Clovis8
Obama it was nationalism in the sense that as long as Americans were not dying he didn't care. This is a LONG standing tradition in America.
Exactly what I wanted to point out. Jingoism and nationalism are not traits exclusive to Trump but rather a continuation of ideologies that have been bred into us from birth.
04-30-2017 , 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99

KJI isn't going to launch nukes unless *maybe* he's about to get regime changed. He knows damn well what will happen if he nukes anything.
KJI already got changed. Please let Trump know.
04-30-2017 , 03:48 PM


Economic Anxiety! (IE - why am I not at the front of the line for handouts)
04-30-2017 , 04:58 PM
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Sebastian Gorka, deputy assistant to President Trump, will soon accept a position outside the White House, two sources told the Washington Examiner on Sunday.

Gorka's new role will deal with the "war of ideas" involved in countering radical Islamic extremism, a senior administration official said, and will entail an appointment to a federal agency.
Looks like Gorka will be out soon

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/se...rticle/2621719
04-30-2017 , 05:01 PM
How do you fix that problem? Millions of people are just completely clueless about the reality of what is going on in the world. And there are plenty of politicians who are both exploiting and fomenting that ignorance.
04-30-2017 , 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99

Economic Anxiety! (IE - why am I not at the front of the line for handouts)
It's really hard to watch these people spout off these extreme left-wing view points and then say, "And that's why I voted TRUMP!"
04-30-2017 , 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Clovis8
Some awesome quotes from face the nation.

"America has a GDP of 1.6%. That's like 1%. Other countries have a GDP of like 7 or 8%"

"I'm under routine audit. Other rich fiends of mine have never been audited but I've been audited every year since I was famous. It's a routine audit"
It's amazing that he can continue to get away with this. How long can he go on claiming he's not releasing them because of an "audit"?

      
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