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04-27-2017 , 01:34 PM

#28251

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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl

Lol A&M. "Trickle down economics" apparently now means "trickling down from Washington DC". I have to hand it to Conservative media to be able to take any phrase and flip it around.

Branding has always been done better by the right. We should take notes.

04-27-2017 , 01:40 PM

#28252

suzzer99

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It helps when facts and accountability mean nothing to your base.

04-27-2017 , 01:51 PM

#28253

Nootka

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Originally Posted by spidercrab

I don't think so - double taxation regarding dividends and corporate profits is something that Republicans both said and cared about - high-income and high-wealth people are the primary beneficiaries of cutting or eliminating dividend taxation, so in that context Republicans aren't just talking. Same thing here - removing deductibility of state and local income taxes, as well as property taxes, hits high-income types in blue states more than anyone else. So removing those deductions is something that Republicans don't actually care about.

fyp

04-27-2017 , 01:55 PM

#28254

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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl

Lol A&M. Trickle down economics apparently now means "trickling down from Washington DC". I have to hand it to Conservative media to be able to take any phrase and flip it around.

Sometimes I forgot that when I derisively call the President a sexual assault enthusiastic that some portion of his base is actually thrilled by that:

Quote:

“He’s sort of entering into the presidency and not taking no for an answer and doing what he wants to get done as much as he can,” Devlin said. “And he’s going to shove that down the opposition’s throats.”

04-27-2017 , 01:57 PM

#28255

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That quote is especially great because Trump has done nothing but take no for an answer and scurry back to his resort like a *****.

Clearly though these are the dopes his "We'll see you in court!!" tweets are for.

04-27-2017 , 01:57 PM

#28256

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Sometimes I waffle on the 4D chess angle and think maybe Trump actually knows what he's doing:

1. Propose some ridiculous thing or sign EO that will probably be rescinded
2. Liberal/MSM freak out ensues
3. Base is thrilled
4. Thing never happens, EO is rescinded, etc.
5. Base doesn't notice or care about #4 - projects whatever they want to be true instead

04-27-2017 , 01:58 PM

#28257

Dominic

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Originally Posted by iron81

I for one am quite happy that all his red button does is summon Coke.

Sure as hell hope there aren't two red buttons. Next to one another.

04-27-2017 , 01:59 PM

#28258

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Originally Posted by otatop

I mean usually the slightly older, wiser Trumpkins throw in some at least half-hearted reference to jobs or something while they both allude to his willingness to not take no for an answer AND the fact he's going to shove it right down the throats of his opposition. It is rare you see them both together in the same sentence just like that. Gotta hand it to the millennials, just no filter.

04-27-2017 , 02:00 PM

#28259

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I wonder about that as well, and then I listen to him speak, about any topic, and realize he's ****ing ******ed

04-27-2017 , 02:09 PM

#28260

rockfsh

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WH blaming Obama for Flynn. He is a Dem, after all.

04-27-2017 , 02:35 PM

#28261

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Buzzfeed has the story of a convicted white collar con man whose wife works at Mar a Lago pitching to people that he'll have the connections to hook them up and was hired by a company trying to win government contracts

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In interviews, four people said Ari Rinkus, who was going by “Ari Rink” at the time, pitched them on proposals that would benefit from his wife getting the Mar-a-Lago job and having access to wealthy members — and to Trump. “He kept saying, ‘Once my wife gets that job, I’ll have all the connections for you,’” said one of the sources, a person who has worked closely with Rinkus. All four of the sources requested anonymity because they said they fear Rinkus could hurt their businesses or careers. They all said they had known him for, at minimum, nearly a year.

“Having access to wealthy people is how he operates,” said the person who worked closely with Rinkus. “That’s his M.O.”

In addition to those four sources, Richard Allison, a local real estate agent, said Rinkus was "very good at going out there and socializing and finding people who would be good investors." Allison said that Rinkus had pitched him several deals but that they hadn’t “consummated” any of them.

Rinkus’s pitches to investors intensified once Trump won the GOP nomination and have continued to escalate since his surprising win in November, the four sources said. “He immediately brings up his wife’s job — that’s how he ropes investors in,” said one of those sources, whom Rinkus approached on a potential business deal involving investments in a marina and restaurant.

Ari Rinkus also frequently distributes pictures of his wife. One, inside an opulent doorway at Mar-a-Lago, shows Trump giving his iconic thumbs-up while Heather, tall, blonde, and deeply tanned, holds one hand on her hip and flashes a big smile. There’s a few of Heather getting a tour of Air Force One, and several of her with senior White House staff. The pictures back up Ari Rinkus’s bragging about his connections to the president, especially at local bars, where he is known to approach wealthy individuals for investments in real estate and other projects, according to the four sources.

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Ari Rinkus’s latest endeavor involves a UK-based company called Securablinds, a producer of security blinds for “blast protection” and “forced entry prevention,” that is setting up shop in the United States, in part to win government contracts, according to the company’s chairman Brian Wilkins.

In a brief interview, Wilkins described Rinkus as an “associate.” But asked for specifics on Rinkus’s role, Wilkins responded, “I don’t know where this conversation is going,” and asked BuzzFeed News to email the rest of its questions to him before he hung up. He did not respond to subsequent emails.The back of Rinkus’s business card — on which he identifies himself as “A.D. Rinkus” — features the Securablinds logo.

Rinkus told BuzzFeed News that he and a local attorney, Bill Jacobson, were responsible for bringing the company to the US, and, indeed, in February the firm established an American base in Palm Beach — “the president’s backyard,” as Rinkus put it. Jacobson said the location was chosen because the company is “considering a plant in Florida.”

Jacobson is a real estate lawyer whose license to practice law was briefly suspended in 1989 by the Florida Bar for 10 days after he concealed a consulting fee in a real estate transaction, according to records obtained from the bar. Jacobson said the incident occurred many years ago and that he is in good standing with the Florida Bar.

Rinkus said that he and Jacobson are seeking government contracts for Securablinds, and he said he had mentioned the company to White House and Trump Organization staff, including Eric Trump. Questioned about details, the usually chatty Rinkus became more restrained.

“I can’t talk about that,” he responded repeatedly with a smile when asked whether Mar-a-Lago, which falls under Eric Trump’s portfolio, would be using Securablinds. He did say that any building bearing the Trump logo could be a top target for terrorists because striking it would be seen as an attack on the president of the United States.

Rinkus has no apparent experience in working on government contracts or in security. But two sources said he is open about his strategy for securing the contracts.

“Heather, of course!” he said recently, according to one of the sources. “She’s the president’s right-hand man.”

When Buzzfeed calls him out on that, he called them back and tells them none of what he's been going around telling people is true, that he's been making it all up.

I didn't quote it because I've already quoted enough but the last section showcases the amoral white collar smugness to a T

https://www.buzzfeed.com/tariniparti...yq0#.stPlezorG

04-27-2017 , 02:36 PM

#28262

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Originally Posted by rockfsh

WH blaming Obama for Flynn. He is a Dem, after all.

Considering Trump said he had "100% confidence in Flynn" the very same day he got fired, after leaving Flynn there for 3 weeks with the same lie that got him fired...it's beyond unbelievable for Spicey to say what he said today:

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"The president made the right decision at the right time," Spicer said of Trump's decision to dismiss Flynn in February. "He made the right decision and we've looked forward."

Why do they consistently act like we are all idiots??

04-27-2017 , 02:39 PM

#28263

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Originally Posted by Our House

To be fair, we're not the intended audience.

04-27-2017 , 02:43 PM

#28264

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I know...audience of one. Trumpkins eat it up too.

04-27-2017 , 02:52 PM

#28265

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Originally Posted by wheatrich

U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) established the Victims of Immigration Crime Engagement (VOICE) Office to acknowledge and serve the needs of crime victims and their families who have been impacted by crimes committed by removable criminal aliens.

I heard the first draft was to call it the Nice Americans Zinged by Immigrants office.

04-27-2017 , 02:53 PM

#28266

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Originally Posted by suzzer99

No. Stop. He is the dumbest person to ever hold public office of any kind. Period. He is too stupid for Tic Tac Toe, let along chess. Let's stop debating this. He knows nothing about politics or policy. Nothing. I don't me nothing in a figurative sense either. I mean it literally. Nothing.

04-27-2017 , 02:54 PM

#28267

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Originally Posted by Our House

Why do they consistently act like we are all idiots??

It's worked flawlessly for the last two years, why stop now? There are almost no repercussions.

04-27-2017 , 02:58 PM

#28268

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Originally Posted by otatop

It's worked flawlessly for the last two years, why stop now? There are almost no repercussions.

not yet

04-27-2017 , 02:59 PM

#28269

suzzer99

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Clovis8

Right. But he's like a machine learning algorithm. He just keeps trying things to see how much he gets burned/adored. If he sees the ridiculous EOs and trial balloons working, he doesn't care about the mechanics of it.

04-27-2017 , 03:08 PM

#28270

slidey1

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Originally Posted by thethethe

Meltdown.

I'm actually shocked that managed to tweet all of them within minutes of each other instead of hours.

04-27-2017 , 03:12 PM

#28271

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Trump knows stuff like The Magic 8-Ball knows stuff. He's not an oracular pig. He's just a pig.

04-27-2017 , 03:14 PM

#28272

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Originally Posted by slidey1

I'm actually shocked that managed to tweet all of them within minutes of each other instead of hours.

He's almost doing a greatest hits type of tweetstorm, check these two out:

He seemed to be just riffing on some of his classic tweets.

04-27-2017 , 03:15 PM

#28273

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Originally Posted by suzzer99

The government lawyers actually argued something like this when his sanctuary bill got struck down. They said that signing the EO was using his 'bully pulpit' to send a message and not actually having the force of law. Basically saying that if it turns out to be unconstitutional well that's him just floating something out there not actually trying to do something against the law.

04-27-2017 , 03:23 PM

#28274

th14

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https://twitter.com/OrinKerr/status/857406445599559681

04-27-2017 , 03:24 PM

#28275

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Originally Posted by goat lover

this is in reference to a bunch of alt right clowns getting ready for street fighting with bamboo sticks...

“They made us out to be clowns!' Ian raged, tearing the tabloid asunder.
“That's part of the plan, you know that.”
“But, but, but, people will think...”
“People are not generally scared of clowns, unless they live in the sewer. And I have a fun assignemnt for you, in Maine, it's time to do some editing...”

The trio approached the famous authors house from the pines by the lake. Deer for days, clumping around, unafraid of the human scent of death having lived so close. Eating the unprotected parts of the garden, the tederest shoots, Bambi the terrorist. They were wearing the clown suits, of course, for the video. This evenings festivities were the logical next step in taking back the country. In making America great again, It was time someone taught these millionaire lefties what free dom of speeach really meant. And actions always spoke louder than words.

At first, they did appear to be clowns, with their yellow fireman hats worn backwards, flag shields copied from Captain America and rattan canes, ala ninjas. Ninja please. Training fro street violence was of course, protected speech. They were just showing those cowards in the black masks the logical evolution of street freedom. But unlike the Black Panthers, the intelligence operatives providing support to them were ture supporters of the cause. Not craven informers selling confused muslims pltonium and then arresting them for headlines. No. These were the truest of believers, finally able to train a domestic army of redneck Nazi peace keepers who had a creed. Don't tread on us. Chanting in the streets with choreographed slashings and banging of canes. With their own masks and goggles, pepper-spray proof. Democracy Now.

“Love it or leave it, Anarchis freak, we will be here all of next week!”.they would chant, alternatively with “Don't tread on us” somehow to the tune of “We will rock you” with canes baning out the familiar Freddie Mercury iconic beat. It sure seemed like more than 24 percent of the crowd was with them in recent weeks. Everybody wanted to get into the units now. Since the newest trial of the century when it was the courts decision that punching women was protected speech if the Nazis could prove bullying by the media leading to mental illness, leading to the whole snowflake Nazi movement.

“We're here, we're fragile, our brains are not too agile”

It was a glorious time to be a Fascist, in the days leading up to the second term. America was finally making strides towards the greatness promised by the leader with the everchanging hairstyle. The accidental conversion of Pyongmang into a glowing crater of molten steel and glass was being looked into. It looked like a nuclear accident caused by the North Koreans themsleves, but the timing was suspicious. When coupled with coincidental, seemingly prophetic statement from the press secretary the day before the 'accident” about how “..a summit of the remaining nuclear powers was at the top of the Presidents to do list, to insure a legacy of peace for all the world's securtiy.” The White House had always had trouble with tenses, as if they knew the future and past were just ideas and were living in the moment like Buddhists. Or did they have access to Hitler's Antarctic time machine. Was he a secret advisor to Trump? Did time stop in 1972 as Phillip K. Dick suggeted? Were we all living in a shadow reality where Rome never fell and was incorporated by the 1000 year Reich?

HBO tried to warn us with the series Man in the High Castle. But that was pure science Fiction, the eerie parallels to modern life were just elements of a story thrown in their by a weed-addled trotskyite writer. A bomb-throwing anarchist whose sole mission was to bring the great Capitalist machine down to it's knees. Surely.

Good read, thanks. Seems like it was probably fun to write.

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