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04-26-2017 , 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by markksman
So you don't understand the ACA of healthcare at all.

You said the ACA caused your premiums to skyrocket. A repeal would put things back in a pre-ACA state and thus your problems are solved.

Unless things are more complicated than that and the ACA is not actually the reason premiums have gone up.
They aren't gonna lower premiums in a repeal. They'll just pocket the $.

ACA has raised costs partially due to adding on coverage for sick people. Why is this so hard to understand?
04-26-2017 , 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by wheatrich
They aren't gonna lower premiums in a repeal. They'll just pocket the $.

ACA has raised costs partially due to adding on coverage for sick people. Why is this so hard to understand?

thats how insurance works
04-26-2017 , 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by poconoder
Trump's big success is redefining what America is about and what our principles are going to be going forward.

America's borders matter. Immigration is a good thing but WE will have it on our terms, we have the right to control our borders.

America will act like a superpower again. Our general impotency is over and the rest of the world is beginning to understand that now.

America will have strong economic growth and that means sometimes competing directly with foreign competitors. And reforming economic policy and taxation to spur that growth.

etc.

Trump's success is in restoring what America stands for, getting over the malaise of the past ten years.



We know you and others are against principles like those listed above, but we don't care about what you anti-Trumpers want. Making America strong domestically and internationally is what most of us want. A good strong America should be the Normal.
Lol, the US economy was already the #1 in the world. There's nowhere for Trump to take it from there but down.


Also love to hear a single example where the US 'acting like a superpower' has ended in a net positive to the world. Iraq? Libya? Vietnam? Korea? Somalia? Please tell me, I'd love to hear.
04-26-2017 , 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
Why can't Democrats or progressive find anyone to call it the Aristocracy tax or Aristocrat tax or something else instead of just accepting the Republican terms of the debate?
This. It's like calling Social Security, UI and Medicare 'entitlements'. That's a right wing word that somehow made it's way into the mainstream.

Those are the kind of nonsense premises that need to be rejected outright.
04-26-2017 , 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by TrollyWantACracker
I feel there should be an estate tax, but instead of money heirs should be required to submit a video of themselves tap dancing in backface.
Is that code for butt face?
04-26-2017 , 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by markksman
Allegedly there is no tax on first 24k either but I don't know how that ties in with the proposed exemptions. The reality is this will all be shredded by congress.
Cohen said twice that there is going to be 0% tax on the first 24k that married couples earn. He didn't say anything about single people, but he definitely used that qualifier.
04-26-2017 , 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by wheatrich
They aren't gonna lower premiums in a repeal. They'll just pocket the $.

ACA has raised costs partially due to adding on coverage for sick people. Why is this so hard to understand?
Premiums had been skyrocketing for twenty years before the ACA, you simply were not paying attention.

At least repeal would stop your premiums from going up anymore and since they are pocketing the last 8 years of false increases that should cause premiums to not go up at all for a very long time. So REPEAL REPEAL REPEAL.

Side note: healthcare in the US was a massive dumpster fire pre-ACA and most people had no idea. They just took it in the shorts each year and didn't really notice enough to think about it. There are all sorts of issues that aren't fixed by the ACA but the bigger problems associated with premium costs are based in other things.

As for note people being insurance causing premiums to go up that is cost shifting. Over priced care for uninsured was already taking place and everyone was paying for it. This is one of the biggest false narratives on healthcare. Do you think hospitals who treat tens of thousands of emergency room cases each year for free don't subsidize that with people who pay?

You sad the ACA was imploding and caused your premiums to skyrocket. Again based on what you claimed repeal is the best and quickest answer right now.
04-26-2017 , 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Our House
Cohen said twice that there is going to be 0% tax on the first 24k that married couples earn. He didn't say anything about single people, but he definitely used that qualifier.
Ah misssed that thanks.
04-26-2017 , 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by TheHip41
thats how insurance works
No, insurance is to make the insurance companies a boatload of $. When they can't do that, they go bankrupt or leave the marketplace. See what's currently going on with the ACA. There's going to be places with 0 coverage next year.

R plan is worse, but this narrative that it's all fine is not living in the same world I am.

Anyway, trumpcare is back.

Trump definitely knows you can't get away with doing one thing wrong but you can get away with everything doing it all wrong at once.
04-26-2017 , 04:45 PM
I'm pretty resigned on healthcare "reform" at this point. Let them pass this turd and lose congress in 2018 **** it
04-26-2017 , 04:53 PM
eagerly awaiting to find out how/if any of these tax proposals affect awfall999 before deciding if I am for/against
04-26-2017 , 04:53 PM
People are stupid and don't understand basic ****. Like most people legit think their employer healthcare contributions are going up because Obamacare. I've given up ever expecting people to understand anything about policy ever. We just have to win and implement ****.
04-26-2017 , 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
Why can't Democrats or progressive find anyone to call it the Aristocracy tax or Aristocrat tax or something else instead of just accepting the Republican terms of the debate?
Because they want it gone as much as the Republicans do. It's just that they don't say it because it won't appeal to their voter base.
04-26-2017 , 04:55 PM
GG NAFTA

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/26/u...imes&smtyp=cur

Trump signing withdrawal order
04-26-2017 , 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by champstark
GG NAFTA

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/26/u...imes&smtyp=cur

Trump signing withdrawal order
Yeah he can't do that
04-26-2017 , 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by miliboo
eagerly awaiting to find out how/if any of these tax proposals affect awfall999 before deciding if I am for/against
Hey yo.

You can't really plan any of this out until you get into legislative language. Specifically where the marginal tax rates fall, employer health care exclusion, etc.
It's really just speculation.

As an aside, I agree with you all about the estate tax. While someone earlier said the cutoff should be $250k (I find that laughable), I think the current threshold is reasonable at $5MM, but I digress.
04-26-2017 , 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Riverman
Yeah he can't do that
There's a good article on DailyKos about that today.

It appears he could.
04-26-2017 , 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by synth_floyd
I hope Mexico uses the US' money to pay for something. LUL
A few of these.

04-26-2017 , 05:56 PM
I knew insulting judges would only be the start for him.

Exclusive interview: Trump 'absolutely' looking at breaking up 9th Circuit
04-26-2017 , 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by champstark
GG NAFTA

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/26/u...imes&smtyp=cur

Trump signing withdrawal order
Gotta recommend WaPo's podcast 'Can He Do That?' which covers the ways that Trump can and cannot expand the powers of the Presidency.

I have to wonder if this will be one of the future episodes: Can Trump unilaterally back out of NAFTA?
04-26-2017 , 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Our House
I knew insulting judges would only be the start for him.

Exclusive interview: Trump 'absolutely' looking at breaking up 9th Circuit
lol good luck with that
04-26-2017 , 06:14 PM
He's going around with a monkey wrench loosening and removing all the nuts and bolts holding the US together. It's mind bottling to watch. Like, my mind is so blown it's out of my head and sitting in a bottle.

As a Canadian, I'm fairly sure I have the authority to offer annex with the west coast states... and some of the northeast... and Alaska I guess. WTF, Hawaii too since they're not really a state, just a collection of islands in the Pacific.

If anyone is interested, just contact my buddy Justin, he can hammer out the deets.
04-26-2017 , 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by awval999
Hey yo.



You can't really plan any of this out until you get into legislative language. Specifically where the marginal tax rates fall, employer health care exclusion, etc.

It's really just speculation.



As an aside, I agree with you all about the estate tax. While someone earlier said the cutoff should be $250k (I find that laughable), I think the current threshold is reasonable at $5MM, but I digress.


Anyone with their eyes open for the last 18 years and half a brain would have realized that Republicans only plan to really cut taxes for the wealthy at the expense of the middle class, including the upper middle class which you fall into. But sure give us some more claptrap about the specifics.
04-26-2017 , 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by runout_mick
He's going around with a monkey wrench loosening and removing all the nuts and bolts holding the US together. It's mind bottling to watch. Like, my mind is so blown it's out of my head and sitting in a bottle.

As a Canadian, I'm fairly sure I have the authority to offer annex with the west coast states... and some of the northeast... and Alaska I guess. WTF, Hawaii too since they're not really a state, just a collection of islands in the Pacific.

If anyone is interested, just contact my buddy Justin, he can hammer out the deets.
you can't offer to annex. you can only surrender to those who secede.
04-26-2017 , 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by sylar
lol good luck with that
A big fat power hungry dictator's instincts are to try for all 3 branches of government.

      
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