JFC. Stock market triples, unemployment halved = malaise - because you watch FoxNews.

Translation: I feel better with Trump in charge, and that's all that really matters.

Borders matter. Sure ok - if ICE picking off grandmothers and DREAMERs because they're easy targets floats your boat - I guess you have a valid point. The wall is never getting built though and Mexico sure as hell isn't paying for whatever token section they put up for photo ops.

How has America acting like a superpower worked out since Korea? Feels good to say though.

WTF do you call the last 7 years if not economic growth?

Lol Trump is affecting your brain.

But I'm already falling for the propaganda. When we argue about farms instead of The Waltons and Kochs they have already won.

That is a holdover from 15 years ago when the exclusion amount was $1 million. The estate tax was a huge problem for family farms etc back then.

By 2011, the exclusion amount was up to $5 million, though, but the "family farm" argument never went away because most people don't know that the amount is 5x what it was 15 years ago.

The cray cray is strong in you. I'll give you that.

Right. Remember the utility of talking points isn't always to convince you but to shift the debate onto a convenient playing field. So we can all agree the family farm stuff is a complete ****ing sideshow and rolling back the estate tax is ultimately servile to like the top .01% or whatever but so long as we're busy wasting our time talking about the expense of maintaining heavy farm machinery then the job is done.

As a compromise, I'm willing to use the term "death tax," but only as relates to taxes on funeral homes and graveyards.

if you think america will have strong economic growth with these policies, then you'll have to explain why Kansas and Russia economies are dumpster fires with them.

Why can't Democrats or progressive find anyone to call it the Aristocracy tax or Aristocrat tax or something else instead of just accepting the Republican terms of the debate?

poconoder isn't american, but he occasionally pretends to be in order to support donald trump and trash hillary clinton online

So that first bullet point:

Eliminate tax breaks that mainly benefit the wealthy

Was there any discussion of what these tax breaks were that they'd eliminate? Like they threw that one in and didn't even bother to make up a lie of what specifically that would be.

That's all the poconders of the world need though. Who are you going to believe, the lying FAKE NEWS media?

We used to pay at least lip service to the integrity of our president, Trump's redefined the **** out of that.

We used to be unafraid, everything about the boarder tightening is fear based.

You don't understand what this means. Trump campaigned on an isolationist policy and is stumbling into foreign affairs like a 12 year old.

When? What has he actually done other than take credit for the results from the Obama administration? What legislation or EO has he passed or signed is going to lead to this and how? My impression is that he has weakened regulations to the point that the environment may be harmed for decades to come.

America was never weak. You were sold a bunch of lies by the Republicans and now you are going to be sold more lies that destroy the middle class and give giant tax breaks to the rich.

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I know these are months old, but I don't see any reason he wouldn't cut the personal exemption if he's increasing the SD twofold



I mean for me, personally, if they don't cut the employee health insurance benefit, I'll pay less in taxes. But overall this is a giant FU to 90% of the country.

I think I need that explanation, I don't really know how AMT works or what the world looks like without it.

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The purpose is to make sure that even if someone (cheeto) has a net loss carryforward, or other large deductions, they are still taxed at a normal rate.

Its a rich people tax.

Which is why its gone, along with estate tax, and gift tax.

Lol @ eliminating the estate tax. That **** should be at least 90% on anything above like $250k.

Mathew Iglesias had a discussion on it when they were talking about Trump's taxes on The Weeds. Basically there a ton of exceptions for people whose personal finances and business finances are intertwined. If you take all those exemptions and your tax rates comes to below a certain threshold and your income is above a certain amount the AMT kicks in and you pay a higher tax amount.

Basically they realized that rich people who do certain things where they're eligible for a lot of business/ personal deductions could game the system by claiming a lot of deductions and instead of trying to sort out each individual deduction and prevent all the gaming they just said if your taxes are too low you're going to pay a higher rate.

The AMT is usually complained about by people who are rich but not super wealthy because the super wealthy have low tax rates because of how we tax capital vs labor etc.

poco, are you happy to have only the prospect* of those things you posted, at the expense of human rights? I mean, what price are you willing to pay through Trump and his goonies? Are human health, freedoms, and lives worth it? Trump is out for himself and his image, so he's willing to throw the majority of us under the bus. Are you?

*It's only the prospect because a lot of it is just talk so far. "Trump will" do this and "Trump plans on" doing that. The actions actually taken are mostly weak EOs that can be reversed or taken down in court. And most of those are half-assed talk as well.

I feel there should be an estate tax, but instead of money heirs should be required to submit a video of themselves tap dancing in backface.

So you don't understand the ACA of healthcare at all.

You said the ACA caused your premiums to skyrocket. A repeal would put things back in a pre-ACA state and thus your problems are solved.

Unless things are more complicated than that and the ACA is not actually the reason premiums have gone up.

Poco, the USA is the literal laughing stock of the world.

Allegedly there is no tax on first 24k either but I don't know how that ties in with the proposed exemptions. The reality is this will all be shredded by congress.

can confirm it wasnt as bad during obama!