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04-26-2017 , 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by TheHip41
Lets say you are a single mom with 3 kids, all 5-12 years old

You get Head of Household (instead of single) which is the standard deduction,

Then you get personal exemption + exemptions for all 3 kids


in trump world, exemptions are gone, HoH is gone, you get to claim single

In trumps world, the single deduction is doubled.



2016 HoH 9,300
2016 single 6,300

2016 personal exemptions 4,050 x 4 = 16,200


so in 2106 they would get 16,200 + 9,300 = 25,500 in deductions

2017 single x 2 = 12,600


so lets round up to 13,000 less in deductions. lets use 15% for both years, just because

thats about 2,000 extra in tax for a single mom of 3.



it basically ****s people with lots of kids, and poor people.

wait, he wants to get rid of exemptions? wow,, and also, most single moms make under 30k, so under the current system , your scenario , the mom gets like 6-8k in EITC , which i dont think they are cutting
04-26-2017 , 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by MyrnaFTW
wait, he wants to get rid of exemptions? wow,, and also, most single moms make under 30k, so under the current system , your scenario , the mom gets like 6-8k in EITC , which i dont think they are cutting
of course they are cutting the earned income tax credit.


thats a poor person tax credit.


they are cutting everything except Mortgage interest, and doubling the standard deduction.


that was my understanding 4 months ago, and I haven't read anything that changes that.
04-26-2017 , 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by MyrnaFTW
wait, he wants to get rid of exemptions? wow,, and also, most single moms make under 30k, so under the current system , your scenario , the mom gets like 6-8k in EITC , which i dont think they are cutting
it seems like the poorest of the poor wont be affected too much. but as usual, it will hit the middle class and lower middle class the hardest.

its really just class warfare, as it always has been by the republican party.
04-26-2017 , 02:23 PM
Thank goodness the mortgage interest deduction on second homes still stands. That will be a welcome relief for economically anxious rust-belters.
04-26-2017 , 02:24 PM
Sizzler,

Only up to $1 million. Clearly limited to middle class vacation home owners.
04-26-2017 , 02:24 PM
I have no idea what they mean by "get rid of all deductions except mortgage and charity"

Like that can be applied to such a broad or narrow definition depending on the scope they want to take.
04-26-2017 , 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
Thank goodness the mortgage interest deduction on second homes still stands. That will be a welcome relief for economically anxious rust-belters.
Coal miners have a summer homes right?

Last edited by Clovis8; 04-26-2017 at 02:32 PM.
04-26-2017 , 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Zimmer4141
I have no idea what they mean by "get rid of all deductions except mortgage and charity"

Like that can be applied to such a broad or narrow definition depending on the scope they want to take.
Not really?

I mean, if words have meaning and stuff.

So you're probably right given who we are dealing with here.
04-26-2017 , 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Our House
Of course another tweetfest this morning. He got embarrassed again. Here's the WH statement:

https://twitter.com/ABCPolitics/stat...92314212667392
Lol them crying about unelected judges while trump yells "wait for the Supreme Court to show you".
04-26-2017 , 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by TheHip41
of course they are cutting the earned income tax credit.


thats a poor person tax credit.


they are cutting everything except Mortgage interest, and doubling the standard deduction.


that was my understanding 4 months ago, and I haven't read anything that changes that.
i dont think they can do that,, makes no sense . Ill read over the bulletpoints in a little
04-26-2017 , 02:30 PM
Every news outlet should get ahold of those 2 pages of tax returns and do nothing but slowly explain the AMT to people and how Trump would have paid a whopping 3% in taxes that year without it.

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04-26-2017 , 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by DVaut1
I realize this is very ephemeral and we should be discussing Trump but maaaan, when pop-historians centuries from now look back at the wreckage we'll leave in our wake, I feel like the title of the book should be Our Democracy Fades...Send Postcards.
Be sure to catch Postcards from the Edge Former Democracy starring Shirley Maclaine this summer!
04-26-2017 , 02:32 PM
meanwhile

U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) established the Victims of Immigration Crime Engagement (VOICE) Office to acknowledge and serve the needs of crime victims and their families who have been impacted by crimes committed by removable criminal aliens.

you may remember VOICE from fascism class.
04-26-2017 , 02:37 PM
also meanwhile,

sounds like AHCA is getting passed Frday
04-26-2017 , 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by TheHip41
basically if you aren't rich, you are ****ed
We pretty much knew this on election day. It was just a matter of how long it would take.
04-26-2017 , 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by champstark
also meanwhile,

sounds like AHCA is getting passed Frday
Just through the house I assume? Going to probably need a lot of reworking to get through the Senate.
04-26-2017 , 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by champstark
also meanwhile,

sounds like AHCA is getting passed Frday
Say it ain't so. I didn't think this was possible with all the Republican disagreement and those town halls.
04-26-2017 , 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by fuluck414
Every news outlet should get ahold of those 2 pages of tax returns and do nothing but slowly explain the AMT to people and how Trump would have paid a whopping 3% in taxes that year without it.
Dopes will still happily point out that means Trump paid ~$4.5 million in taxes, which is a very tremendous amount of money, just unbelievably large, yuge even.
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Originally Posted by champstark
sounds like AHCA is getting passed Frday
Assuming they found a way to please the Freedom Caucus without pushing out more moderate Rs.
04-26-2017 , 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by DVaut1
Don't forget complicit. How many of the media all-stars are personally going to make out pretty good under Trump. Most?
Bingo. Ben Stein was honest enough to admit that he is for some income redistribution to make it less likely he will be mugged on the street. But the fact is that most wealthy people who profess to be liberal share this thought secretly. They may have a little empathy for the poor but only to the point where it doesn't affect their lifestyle. (Furthermore most of the poor would have this attribute the moment they got money. Many do even before they get money. The twoplustwo type liberals are probably no more than 25% of the population.)
04-26-2017 , 02:44 PM
Wheat,

Are you having a sad that you have $10,000,000+ in assets? I mean that sound like one of them good problems.
04-26-2017 , 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by wheatrich
meanwhile

U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) established the Victims of Immigration Crime Engagement (VOICE) Office to acknowledge and serve the needs of crime victims and their families who have been impacted by crimes committed by removable criminal aliens.

you may remember VOICE from fascism class.
Should be Victims of Immigration and Customs Enforcement imo
04-26-2017 , 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by champstark
also meanwhile,

sounds like AHCA is getting passed Frday
Just leaving this here

http://www.vox.com/2017/4/25/1542998...ahca-amendment

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House Republicans appear to have included a provision that exempts members of Congress and their staff from their latest health care plan.

The new Republican amendment, introduced Tuesday night, would allow states to waive out of Obamacare’s ban on preexisting conditions. This means that insurers could once again, under certain circumstances, charge sick people higher premiums than healthy people.

Republican legislators liked this policy well enough to offer it in a new amendment. They do not, however, seem to like it enough to have it apply to themselves and their staff. A spokesperson for Rep. Tom MacArthur (R-NJ), who authored this amendment, confirmed this was the case: Members of Congress and their staff would get the guarantee of keeping these Obamacare regulations. Health law expert Tim Jost flagged this particular issue to me.
04-26-2017 , 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Zimmer4141
I have no idea what they mean by "get rid of all deductions except mortgage and charity"

Like that can be applied to such a broad or narrow definition depending on the scope they want to take.
sounds pretty straight forward to me.

No

state and local tax deduction
sales tax deduction.
gambling losses deduction
unreimbursed employee expenses
gambling losses
medical losses
stolen property losses
personal property taxes

im sure i forgot one or two.
04-26-2017 , 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by tomdemaine
Wheat,

Are you having a sad that you have $10,000,000+ in assets? I mean that sound like one of them good problems.
Not assets. Net worth.
04-26-2017 , 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by poconoder
Trump has a learning curve and many of us spectators did not accept his way of doing things in the beginning. This made for an ugly first two months. But you can already see he is getting better at this, and us spectators are figuring out his way of doing things. I think we have a possibility of a delayed honeymoon this summer as many start to appreciatee the good points of his presidential actions so far.
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Originally Posted by kerowo
What do you think he has done "better at" recently? What do you think are the successes of this administration?
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Originally Posted by RV Life
LOL wat?

What is Trump doing that makes you think he's getting better? If anything, he's becoming more unhinged.
Trump's big success is redefining what America is about and what our principles are going to be going forward.

America's borders matter. Immigration is a good thing but WE will have it on our terms, we have the right to control our borders.

America will act like a superpower again. Our general impotency is over and the rest of the world is beginning to understand that now.

America will have strong economic growth and that means sometimes competing directly with foreign competitors. And reforming economic policy and taxation to spur that growth.

etc.

Trump's success is in restoring what America stands for, getting over the malaise of the past ten years.

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Originally Posted by Our House
Noooo. As mentioned before, there's a word for that: normalizing. It's exactly what we CAN'T let happen.
We know you and others are against principles like those listed above, but we don't care about what you anti-Trumpers want. Making America strong domestically and internationally is what most of us want. A good strong America should be the Normal.

      
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