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The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns. The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns.

04-26-2017 , 05:16 AM
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Originally Posted by chuckleslovakian
Maybe imploding was the wrong word. But what I mean is I am sure GOP is going to do everything possible to make sure ACA fails instead of strengthening​ it. Can't let Obama's legacy bill actually be a legacy.
Yeah. Time for a independent investigation. Setting up ACA to fail, bank speech money and failing to vet Flynn!
04-26-2017 , 06:18 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
Yeah, this is the "Bust doctrine" question for Palin, which was also a dumb gotcha.

DVaut is right.

Or, even better, do some chummy current sports/pop culture question. Ask him who he thinks will make the Eastern Conference finals in the NBA this year. Ask him who he'd take with the #1 NFL draft pick. Ask him his three favorite films from the Oscar best picture nominees. ****ing anything concrete where the answer can't be about himself.
Of course none of this is to say the media does an objectively good job handling Trump or that people who interview Trump aren't getting effectively bowled over by his gibberish, they are making lots of mistakes and many people who interview him are unprepared for the Trump style.

I just wanted to point out that on some level, the media writ large has in many ways covered the story that Trump is a moron just like GJ and Palin but the reason why he hasn't been as impactful is the audience, not the media. Palin and GJ primary mistakes are that they let self-doubt creep in, that they stop self-promoting, that they eventually kowtow to the notion that knowing things and facts matter. The Trump Style of deflection/self-promotion/ham-handed promises is perfected over decades of selling fraudulent bull**** and there's not much Consumer Reports can do if people want to keep buying HeadOn Apply Directly to the Forehead to stop it despite all evidence the product is a total sham.

tl;dr summary of this exchange: Trump is a 4d chessmaster at snake oil scams and his verbal diarrhea gibbering is a huge component of that, and I don't think there's any hope this question or that question can trip him up at this point. By any objective measure he's basically tripped by almost all questions but humans very rarely collectively join together to allow 'objective measures' to rule the day.

Last edited by DVaut1; 04-26-2017 at 06:24 AM.
04-26-2017 , 06:22 AM
I have thought he was for peace while elections were. But now...
04-26-2017 , 06:39 AM
Oh, Trump is bitching about judges again!





https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...80178736459776
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...77434210304001
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...82179469774848

Odds the case actually makes it to the SCOTUS? o/u 5%?
04-26-2017 , 06:48 AM
Under, President Dip****'s handlers aren't going to waste time appealing this.
04-26-2017 , 06:49 AM
I assume his 80% figure is a lie?
04-26-2017 , 06:51 AM
Re: Sanctuary Cities court order

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local...=.5c9f95f9417a

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Orrick pointed to discrepancies in the administration’s interpretation of the executive order, which broadly authorized the attorney general to withhold grant money from jurisdictions that do not cooperate with immigration officials on deportations and other enforcement actions.

At the same time, the judge said the Justice Department may hold back grant money that is awarded with immigration-related conditions, if those conditions are violated. The department responded to the ruling by saying it could essentially continue to operate as it had been.

The judge’s decision largely blocks the administration from doing things its lawyers said in court the agency would not do, such as strip health-care funding from cities and towns.
It appears that it's ok to withhold money based on immigration-related conditions, but the Government just can't say, oh hey, no more ROADZ money for you either.
04-26-2017 , 07:12 AM
Update from suburbia: my surgeon neighbor continues to support Trump because liberals are snowflakes.
04-26-2017 , 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Fatal Checkraise
Oh, Trump is bitching about judges again!
Of course another tweetfest this morning. He got embarrassed again. Here's the WH statement:

https://twitter.com/ABCPolitics/stat...92314212667392
04-26-2017 , 08:51 AM
So if the fed is going to with hold money from sanctuary cities does that mean as someone who lives in one, I don't have to pay federal taxes anymore?
04-26-2017 , 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by JPantz
So if the fed is going to with hold money from sanctuary cities does that mean as someone who lives in one, I don't have to pay federal taxes anymore?
That's something everyone should've been doing anyway. Boycott paying taxes until Trump releases his.
04-26-2017 , 09:18 AM
I haven't been active in this thread but I have a question for anyone who wants to give their opinion. Do you think there's any likelihood that Trump becomes savvy enough to accomplish anything positive or productive as POTUS? He's going to be put in a lot of different situations, do you think he could ever find the right chord and start doing things that undeniably benefit the USA? (Also I apologize for my naivety)
04-26-2017 , 09:40 AM
This Taibi column is painfully stupid:

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics...rrives-w474771
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What if all the Glenn Beck-style far-out charts with the circles and arrows somehow all make sense?

This is one of the tricks that keeps every good conspiracy theory going.
Calling giddy partisan speculation a "conspiracy theory" makes no sense, but it's also telling that he is using Glenn Beck as an example of a conspiracy about Russia instead of, you know, someone who is actually concocting a conspiracy about Russia.

Okay, he does bring up Louise Mensch, but who listens to her?

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One way we recognize a mass hysteria movement is that everyone who doesn't believe is accused of being in on the plot
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Eric Boehlert of Media Matters, upon seeing the strange behavior of Republican Intel Committee chair Devin Nunes, asked "what kind of dossier" the Kremlin has on Nunes.
I don't know if a tweet that reads like a joke is an accusation.
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Dem-friendly pollster Matt McDermott wondered why reporters Michael Tracey and Zaid Jilani aren't on board with the conspiracy stories (they might be "unwitting" agents!)
This is nonsense. Tracey in particular was denying--and might still be--that Russia was responsible for hacking the DNC and Podesta. Unless Taibi thinks the Russian hacking is a conspiracy theory...

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Think about that last one. Does McDermott think Tracey and Jilani call their handlers at the sight of a scary Matt McDermott tweet and have the FSB send waves of Russian bots at him on command?
This is balls-deep stupid. Does Taibi not know what "unwitting" means?

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I've been "outed" as a possible paid Putin plant by the infamous "PropOrNot" group...You might remember PropOrNot as the illustrious research team the Washington Post once relied on...
They sound dumb and WaPo did add a disclaimer about the group to its article. I still don't see evidence of "mass hysteria."

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During an interview with The Times on the Russia subject a month back, there was a thud outside the window. "That may just be the FSB," he said. The paper was unsure if he was kidding.
He was kidding, Matt. Are you really this dumb?

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This is how nuts things are now: a senator brushes up on Nabokov and Tolstoy (Tolstoy!) to get pumped to expose Vladimir Putin.
Let's see what the Times actually wrote:

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The Virginia Democrat is losing himself in a book about the Romanovs, eager to absorb the country’s theories of war, teasing staff members for insufficient knowledge of Tolstoy and Nabokov.
So Matt Taibi just made some **** up about Mark Warner. Mass Hysteria is so widespread he has to invent examples.

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Testimony of the sort that came from Warner's committee last week is being buttressed by news stories in liberal outlets like Salon insisting that "Bernie Bros" were influenced by those same ubiquitous McDermott-chasing Russian "bots."
These stories insist that, among other things, these evil bots pushed on the unwitting "bros" juicy "fake news" stories about Hillary being "involved with various murders and money laundering schemes."
This is the Salon article Taibi is referencing.

Basically nothing that Taibi alleges is in that article. The sentence he quotes refers to fake news sites, not "bots." And the article talks mostly about for-profit fake news sites rather than any Russian-sponsored sites, even going so far as to point out criticism of The Huffington Post for focusing too much on Russian fake news sites. That Taibi sees such an even-handed article as part of this "mass hysteria" is bizarre.

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If the Democrats succeed in spreading the idea that straying from the DNC-approved candidate – in either the past or the future – is/was an act of "unwitting" cooperation with the evil Putin regime, then the entire idea of legitimate dissent is going to be in trouble.
This is more manufactured nonsense. Who is saying this? No one as far as I can tell.

For the record, it's much, much, much more likely that Taibi is dumb and sloppy than he is some kind of Russian agent.

Last edited by 13ball; 04-26-2017 at 09:47 AM.
04-26-2017 , 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by walkby
I haven't been active in this thread but I have a question for anyone who wants to give their opinion. Do you think there's any likelihood that Trump becomes savvy enough to accomplish anything positive or productive as POTUS? He's going to be put in a lot of different situations, do you think he could ever find the right chord and start doing things that undeniably benefit the USA? (Also I apologize for my naivety)
It's hard to envision tbh because he just hates learning so much. He may sign off on a good piece of legislation, but he won't have had any real hand in creating it.
04-26-2017 , 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by fuluck414
Just confirming what we already knew



https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.24f5145b8496
04-26-2017 , 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by AllTheCheese
It's hard to envision tbh because he just hates learning so much. He may sign off on a good piece of legislation, but he won't have had any real hand in creating it.
If an infinite number of trumps signed an infinite number of bills they'd still all be garbage.
04-26-2017 , 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by RV Life
I'm no military expert but doesn't this seem silly? Couldn't the US wipe this all out with a drone attack?

If we're playing Axis & Allies this seems like a good place to use the Carpet Bombing perk
04-26-2017 , 10:07 AM
Yikes, I didn't know how old that Taibi article was. My pony was hacked.
04-26-2017 , 10:09 AM
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_58...9cb917f7ca/amp

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Describing a meeting with Rep. Elijah Cummings (D-Md.), Trump offered the following word salad:

“Well he said, you’ll be the greatest president in the history of, but you know what, I’ll take that also, but that you could be. But he said, will be the greatest president but I would also accept the other. In other words, if you do your job, but I accept that. Then I watched him interviewed and it was like he never even was here. It’s incredible. I watched him interviewed a week later and it’s like he was never in my office. And you can even say that.”
These quotes never fail to amaze me. He has to be the most unintelligent person ever elected to any office.
04-26-2017 , 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Riverman
Update from suburbia: my surgeon neighbor continues to support Trump because liberals are snowflakes.
Yeah, I know quite a few well-educated Trump supporters whose reaction, whenever they hear a liberal upset about something, is to instantly support whatever it is that has them upset.
04-26-2017 , 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Coasterbrad
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_58...9cb917f7ca/amp



These quotes never fail to amaze me. He has to be the most unintelligent person ever elected to any office.

04-26-2017 , 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Money2Burn
Yeah, I know quite a few well-educated Trump supporters whose reaction, whenever they hear a liberal upset about something, is to instantly support whatever it is that has them upset.
Those people are commonly known as morons.
04-26-2017 , 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Riverman
Update from suburbia: my surgeon neighbor continues to support Trump because liberals are snowflakes.
That is so weird, all of the Trump supporters I know have recently become sensible people with reasonable views and a clear sense of the world as it actually exists.
04-26-2017 , 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by 13ball
Yikes, I didn't know how old that Taibi article was. My pony was hacked.
3 weeks? None of it's wrong, and I posted an article back around inauguration where Matt did pretty much the same sort of handwringing. He's drank all the anti-conspiracy kool-aid.
04-26-2017 , 10:22 AM
If those guns are all pointing out to sea to hit US ships it's pretty funny.

If they are pointing over the river to S. Korea, less so.

      
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