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The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns. The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns.

04-24-2017 , 06:58 AM
Addendum: And it would be incredibly naive to think that what we're seeing is the full extent of nepotism, corruption, collusion, emoluments violations, etc. actually occurring.

Also afraid that we're becoming jaded to it all.
04-24-2017 , 07:32 AM
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Originally Posted by AllTheCheese
Free college and student debt relief was a campaign platform of Bernie in the primary, and then Hillary in the general. Not sure how you can appeal to young people any more than that. Support for Planned Parenthood also should primarily appeal to women under 30. Climate change is a young person's issue, too, in the sense that it is not the olds who will suffer the most disastrous consequences.
Millennials are particularly motivated by values and vision. Even in other areas with more concrete and immediate cost/benefit impacts (i.e. employment) millennials will turn down a little more money for a sense of importance/meaning in their work. This is why employers struggled with millenials for so long, and so many millenial workplace stereotypes and jokes have persisted. Employers tried what used to work on young employees - if you work hard, pay your dues, and show that you're committed to the company we'll move you (slowly) up the ranks toward a bigger role. And millenials responding with - show me your mission statement and how you're making the world better or I'm not interested.

Anyway, with respect to politics the technocratic policy arguments above are certainly right, but bringing millenials into the fold via arguments about incremental policy measures that will make their lives incrementally better over decades is like offering a 26 year old millenial the promise of a 4% pay increase if they stay late grinding out the boring stuff at the office. Not interested.

Now, offer them a vision of hope, of change for a new and better future driven by a charismatic leader that symbolizes a meaningful shift in societal values? Now they're listening. Hence, from your article:

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On election day, Hillary Clinton won the youth vote (55 percent) while Donald Trump only garnered the support of 37 percent of the millennial electorate. Comparatively, in 2012, young adults voted for Barack Obama over Mitt Romney by 60 percent to 37 percent.
That 5% turn may not sound like much, but of course it counts in an electoral system that is fought at the fine margins. Clinton's complete inability to articulate what her vision for the world is, other than a world in which she is president, is a seriously limiting factor in a demographic where, as you noted, it should be a slam dunk easy win. But if you can't motivate millenials with demonstrable vision, they will move over to parties like the Green party that are substantially driven by vision over policy.
04-24-2017 , 08:39 AM
Latest poll has 96% of Trump voters saying they'd vote for him again. They are so dumb.
04-24-2017 , 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by mosdef
Clinton's complete inability to articulate what her vision for the world is, other than a world in which she is president, is a seriously limiting factor in a demographic where, as you noted, it should be a slam dunk easy win.
Hillary was all about being president. It was her turn, she had to get her page in the history books as the first woman president. All that bit about doing stuff for America and standing for principles wasn't so important, sure she'd do it because you got to do something while in office, but her life would be complete, her goal met when she was inaugurated. just Being President.

And some of her supporters bought into that, like Miley Cyrus who said, "In her lifetime she deserves to be the first female President"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sm9NHwVXb6k
04-24-2017 , 08:56 AM
"I'm with Her." Not "She's with Me" or "She's with Us" or "Yes We Can", "I'm with Her."

Says it all, really.
04-24-2017 , 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
This is absolutely wrong. Trump is the symptom, he didn't influence ****. Trump was a candidate who gave the GOP base what it had wanted for a decade. The right wing media blew up Bush's reform and blew up the Gang of 8 reform long before Trump was running for ****.
pat buchanan ran on the same crap as trump 20 years ago.
04-24-2017 , 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Victor
pat buchanan ran on the same crap as trump 20 years ago.


https://twitter.com/politico/status/856252871783919616
04-24-2017 , 09:37 AM
lol, I should be a writer
04-24-2017 , 10:09 AM
"better you than me" trump said, when ISS person tells they drink pee. LOL
04-24-2017 , 10:12 AM
Sessions knows a way to fund the wall, brown people can pay for it.

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The proposed wall along the U.S.-Mexico border could be paid for by reducing erroneously issued tax credits that go to “mostly Mexicans,” said Attorney General Jeff Sessions on Sunday.
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...credits-237490


I don't get why the Trump Administration would risk a government shutdown over the wall. It must be one of the dumbest things one could risk a government default for. On the other hand, congress might be to sane to risk a default so they might grand Trump his billions.
04-24-2017 , 10:31 AM
Sessions is a ghoul.
04-24-2017 , 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by JacktheDumb
Sessions knows a way to fund the wall, brown people can pay for it.



http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...credits-237490


I don't get why the Trump Administration would risk a government shutdown over the wall. It must be one of the dumbest things one could risk a government default for. On the other hand, congress might be to sane to risk a default so they might grand Trump his billions.
How are these bad hombres supposed to pay for the wall when Trump deports them all? lol
04-24-2017 , 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by JacktheDumb
I don't get why the Trump Administration would risk a government shutdown over the wall. It must be one of the dumbest things one could risk a government default for.
You can replace "government default" in that sentence with literally everything this administration's done.

Also, Trump was ****ing pumped to default on the debt last year, I can't imagine he's learned a god damn thing since then.
04-24-2017 , 10:44 AM
I also like that the report that Sessions is possibly referring to mentions nothing about Mexicans.
04-24-2017 , 10:53 AM
The ultimate "participation trophies" are getting taken down in New Orleans.

Confederate Monuments Will Come Down in New Orleans
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...uments/421059/
04-24-2017 , 11:04 AM
You guys probably wonder why I go on and on about the Compromise of 1877. It was incredibly important for The Lost Cause:

04-24-2017 , 11:10 AM
What is wrong with these people. This guy is a GOP running for Governor of Virginia:

https://twitter.com/CoreyStewartVA/s...06483411910656
04-24-2017 , 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by einbert
The ultimate "participation trophies" are getting taken down in New Orleans.

Confederate Monuments Will Come Down in New Orleans
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...uments/421059/
Candidate for governor in va.


Last edited by lycosid; 04-24-2017 at 11:16 AM. Reason: Pony got taken down
04-24-2017 , 11:18 AM
einbert,

There's no way that's the real inscription on a public monument, surely? Obviously I wouldn't put anything past the south at this point but it has to be a photoshop.
04-24-2017 , 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by tomdemaine
einbert,

There's no way that's the real inscription on a public monument, surely? Obviously I wouldn't put anything past the south at this point but it has to be a photoshop.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Liberty_Place
04-24-2017 , 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by einbert
What is wrong with these people. This guy is a GOP running for Governor of Virginia:

https://twitter.com/CoreyStewartVA/s...06483411910656
Damn taking down monuments to davis, beauregard, and lee for good measure. That must make jefferson beuaregard sessions pretty salty.
04-24-2017 , 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
Unreal. America is seriously the weirdest most contradictory country ever.
04-24-2017 , 11:28 AM
It's fun clicking the trending thing on Facebook about these monuments and all the dummies suddenly furious that "history is being wiped away" and calling the left terrorists, as if taking down monuments to white supremacy means we'll forget all about the Civil War.
04-24-2017 , 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by tomdemaine
einbert,

There's no way that's the real inscription on a public monument, surely? Obviously I wouldn't put anything past the south at this point but it has to be a photoshop.
It's a strong competitor with the Wilmington insurrection for most grotesque historical marker in America.
04-24-2017 , 11:32 AM
I dont get how isis and terrorism has anything to do with taking down that "monument."

      
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