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The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns. The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns.

04-23-2017 , 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by champstark


Ugh this does not bode well
It's a cult.

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Originally Posted by Kirbynator
trump's approval rating is -34 for people aged 18-34
thats a good sign for the future I suppose
Our political system is boned for another 10-20 years. After that, it may actually get better. The younger generation is the only thing giving me hope.
04-23-2017 , 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by RV Life
See, that's the thing. Young people didn't know what was at stake.

Think about it. Someone that is 20 right now was 9-10 when Obama was elected in 2008. Obama was their president for close to 50% of their life. They grew up going to middle school,HS, and now college assuming things like gay rights, Planned Parenthood, Climate Change etc. are every day social norms.

Now they are seeing that the entire GOP thinks these things are either illegal or don't exist in the first place. It's an eye opener.
Bull****, not to mention that is the extreme low of the age range for millennials anyways. Everyone knew about this election & younger people couldn't escape it in the worlds/bubbles they live in.
04-23-2017 , 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by lew189
You guys ever heard of cancellation of removal? Just as I suspected, a way exists...

YOU DON'T LIKE THAT. Remember?
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I'll ignore the hyperbole, but does the law matter at all?
P.S. Look up the ****ing requirements for cancellation. They don't apply to the people we're talking about! That's why Obama did DACA, that's why immigration doves have been trying to push through variations on the DREAM act.

You are, I think, going to end up arguing for the immigration policies of Hillary ****ing Clinton here. Just a headsup.
04-23-2017 , 05:55 PM
Seriously this whole debate is just a grosteque indictment of the media. A pathway to citizenship has been the central issue in immigration policy debates since Bush's reforms got blown up by the right in 2006.
04-23-2017 , 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by ASAP17
Bull****, not to mention that is the extreme low of the age range for millennials anyways. Everyone knew about this election & younger people couldn't escape it in the worlds/bubbles they live in.
A ton of people, especially younger people, didn't vote because they thought both candidates were equally bad. A lot of that was because of concerted dishonesty, but people absolutely did not understand the stakes of this election. The huge increase in 3rd party votes shows that.

See, oh, lew's posts.
04-23-2017 , 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by ASAP17
Bull****, not to mention that is the extreme low of the age range for millennials anyways. Everyone knew about this election & younger people couldn't escape it in the worlds/bubbles they live in.
It's simpler than people are making it out to be: people under 30 are just lazy, spoiled, Internet addicted ****s who won't bother to take the time to show up and vote.
04-23-2017 , 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by 13ball
Just reading the wiki on this it looks like a dreamer would have to have a close relative (parent, spouse, child) who was a citizen or had a green card and would have to prove exceptional hardship to that relative. That would apply to very few dreamers, so, no, this isn't a way that exists.

And of course, that's why Democrats tried to pass the DREAM Act in the first place--because these people weren't protected by current law.
Which also had the support of a lot of moderate Republicans - because it makes sense and is the right thing to do. Which of course doomed it with the nutjobs in the House right now.
04-23-2017 , 06:02 PM
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TRUMP: Yeah, it's funny: One of the best chemistries I had was with (German Chancellor Angela) Merkel.

(Crosstalk) AP: Really?

TRUMP: Chancellor Merkel.

TRUMP: And I guess somebody shouted out, "Shake her hand, shake her hand," you know. But I never heard it. But I had already shaken her hand four times. You know, because we were together for a long time.

AP: Did you expect you would have good chemistry with her?

TRUMP: No. Because, um, I'm at odds on, you know, the NATO payments and I'm at odds on immigration. We had unbelievable chemistry. And people have given me credit for having great chemistry with all of the leaders, including el-Sissi. ...
What...the...****? If his mouth isn't moving, it's not lying to try and bolster his image.

https://apnews.com/c810d7de280a47e88...iew-with-Trump
04-23-2017 , 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by 2OutsNoProb
It's simpler than people are making it out to be: people under 30 are just lazy, spoiled, Internet addicted ****s who won't bother to take the time to show up and vote.
Don't you have a cloud to yell at?

Most people in their 20s are still trying to figure out who they are. It's all they can do to find their way in a confusing world - much less think about shaping that world in some way. I know plenty of 20-somethings who are smart and motivated, but just haven't gotten their heads above water enough to start thinking about politics yet. Agreed Trump has been a splash of cold water for them on that.
04-23-2017 , 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by hornbug
The early incompetence of the administration is something that Trump will grow out of. Corrupt Hillary would never have grown out of her corruption. The olds born before 1980 are not going to regret picking Trump over Hillary nor should they. Making tough decisions is part of life, they made the right call despite having two bad options to choose from.
You really must be joking. Corruption is your issue?! Trump's history of corruption is well documented. He paid 25 million to settle a fraud suit for his scam university in ****ING NOVEMBER! Stick to cyber security emailz; at least there you have somewhat of a leg to stand on.
04-23-2017 , 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by synth_floyd
Jeff Sessions going with the "just kidding" defense re: his comments about Hawaii being "an island in the Pacific."
"Nobody has a sense of humor anymore" was his quote. Because Sessions is world renowned for his ability to make people laugh while they're being ****ed over.
04-23-2017 , 06:56 PM
The election is over, stop arguing about it.
04-23-2017 , 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by lew189
This is the dumbest thing I've ever seen on the internet.
fyp

Just look at any twitter feed with deplorable in the name. Might as well read:

If its white, its alright
If its yellow let it mellow
If its brown, deport their azzes
04-23-2017 , 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by wheatrich
The election is over, stop arguing about it.
I assume that is directed to our president because he's the one who tweeted about it... AGAIN.
04-23-2017 , 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by 13ball
Just reading the wiki on this it looks like a dreamer would have to have a close relative (parent, spouse, child) who was a citizen or had a green card and would have to prove exceptional hardship to that relative. That would apply to very few dreamers, so, no, this isn't a way that exists.

And of course, that's why Democrats tried to pass the DREAM Act in the first place--because these people weren't protected by current law.
This is wrong, find a source other than wiki.

My source appears to have been wrong, I believe I was wrong with the sentence above. Apologies.

Last edited by lew189; 04-23-2017 at 07:32 PM.
04-23-2017 , 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
A ton of people, especially younger people, didn't vote because they thought both candidates were equally bad. A lot of that was because of concerted dishonesty, but people absolutely did not understand the stakes of this election. The huge increase in 3rd party votes shows that.

See, oh, lew's posts.
immigration is not in the top 3 most important issues for many voters.
04-23-2017 , 07:34 PM
How hilarious would it be if the celebration of Trump's 100th day ends in a government shutdown? They'll have so much fun trying to blame Dems/each other.
04-23-2017 , 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by lew189
immigration is not in the top 3 most important issues for many voters.
Those voters are called Democrats. According to this

http://www.people-press.org/2016/07/...2016-election/

79% of Trump supporters said immigration was "very important" to their 2016 vote. Only terrorism and the economy ranked higher.
04-23-2017 , 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by lew189
No, no I don't. But, do the police do the best they can to enforce traffic laws with the resources they have? Isn't that, you know, their job?
No because most police even actively patrolling speed limits won't usually pull people over unless they are going a certain amount above the speed limit. Which proves the exact opposite of your implication.
04-23-2017 , 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Our House
This seems way off for some reason.
I'd be curious how the methodology for the regret poll works. If it requires one to first admit they voted for trump before saying they regretted it the result makes perfect sense.

So unless they are specifically repolling people they know voted for trump the thing seems impossibly flawed and 98% makes perfect sense.
04-23-2017 , 07:53 PM
Trump won a lot of focus groups in the second debate.
04-23-2017 , 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
Don't you have a cloud to yell at?

Most people in their 20s are still trying to figure out who they are. It's all they can do to find their way in a confusing world - much less think about shaping that world in some way. I know plenty of 20-somethings who are smart and motivated, but just haven't gotten their heads above water enough to start thinking about politics yet. Agreed Trump has been a splash of cold water for them on that.
A cloud to yell at? I'm a 35 year old degree holding ultra-liberal living in NYC, not a suburban angry old man on a porch.

It doesn't require a ton of thought to show up twice a year, between primary and general election days, for what might be a couple of hours each time at most, and possibly only mere minutes if one lives in a state that has a good voting system in place. It requires not being lazy. And there's plenty of information out there in the Internet age for them to consume in order to make a decision.

Hell, in early 2016 a mid-20's college grad, even if they weren't politically informed or didn't care all that much, could simply have thought in terms of the better choice for equality and diversity, looked at a list consisting of:

(A) one of Hillary Clinton / Bernie Sanders
OR
(B) one of Donald Trump / Ted Cruz / John Kasich / Marco Rubio

and made a pretty easy decision of (A) after about a half hour's worth of research.

There's no good excuse to not vote. If people under 30 voted in the numbers they should, we don't have President Trump now. Remember, his margin in three swing states was a combined 78K votes, or 190K votes if you throw FL in.
04-23-2017 , 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by AllTheCheese
Those voters are called Democrats. According to this

http://www.people-press.org/2016/07/...2016-election/

79% of Trump supporters said immigration was "very important" to their 2016 vote. Only terrorism and the economy ranked higher.
Would it be that high had Trump not made it such a huge issue? I think that needs to be taken into account.
04-23-2017 , 07:59 PM
04-23-2017 , 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by lew189
immigration is not in the top 3 most important issues for many voters.
This might actually be true, which makes Trump's following all the more confounding. You've got a bunch of people in middle America hellholes like Kansas, Arkansas, Tennessee, etc, ranting and raving online about how illegal immigrants are destroying everything, when meanwhile these states are almost devoid of these people. Why is Jim Bob Redneck from rural Kentucky so passionate about Jose Suarez doing off-the-books landscaping in Brooklyn?

EDIT: Just saw AllTheCheese's link showing 79% of Trump supporters interested in immigration as a top-3 issue. Surprised it's that high.

      
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