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More hyperbole. Great.

And yes, I do see something wrong with that. I would like to believe in that scenario, if the person in question is here for many years and has been a contributing member of society, there should be (and likely is) an apparatus in place for the person to legally apply for citizenship.

I think, though, that the earlier reference was to a 2 year old and I do not agree that a 2 year olds parents, just by virtue of having a child born in the US, should automatically become citizens.

Wow, you really don't understand this do you?

We are not talking about the parents. We are talking about the 2 year old that came here 20-30 years ago and now is at risk for being deported even though he's been a productive member of society since arriving here.

This isn't about 2 immigrants that come here, have a kid, and then the whole family becomes American citizens.

This is about 2 immigrants have a kid OUTSIDE of the US and come here AFTER the kid is born.

You literally do not understand what's going on.

04-23-2017 , 04:31 PM

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lew doing work proving that the pro-Trump/anti-immigration literally has zero idea what laws are in place or how they work. But build that wall though!

04-23-2017 , 04:40 PM

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lew is just the Trumpkin base that despises anything that Obama did come hell or high water. There's no rational thought put into it. If Obama did it, it must be bad and it must be repealed; no questions asked.

04-23-2017 , 04:44 PM

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I love the line "I have no idea what the law or actual policy on dreamers is, so let me just make up what I think should happen and assume that's what is happening".

It's so liberating.

04-23-2017 , 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by suzzer99

I love the "I have no idea what the law or actual policy on dreamers is, so let me just make up what I think should happen and assume that's what is happening". It's so liberating.

exactly how tens of millions of people voted last year

04-23-2017 , 04:51 PM

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"Gee maybe there should be some apparatus to give people a path to citizenship who were brought here as toddlers and appear to be good citizens"

Running a close second to:

"Maybe instead of that awful Obamacare we should have some system like Medicare for everyone."

04-23-2017 , 04:53 PM

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trump's approval rating is -34 for people aged 18-34

thats a good sign for the future I suppose

04-23-2017 , 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by lew189

This is the dumbest thing I've ever seen on the internet.

well, prove me wrong and vote against trump and vote against repubs and vote straight dem the next elections.

you wont. bc removing these ppl is a priority for you. you think it is a positive.

04-23-2017 , 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Kirbynator

trump's approval rating is -34 for people aged 18-34

thats a good sign for the future I suppose

Bad sign for the future is how few young people cared enough to vote when everyone was aware of the stakes in this election.

04-23-2017 , 05:05 PM

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Maybe Sessions will outlaw snapchat or something to make them wake up.

04-23-2017 , 05:07 PM

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Man, Victor was being too kind. That's WHY you voted for Trump!

Amnesty for DREAMERs was a big ****ing issue in the campaign, Obama's DACA program deprioritized those people from deportation and the right flipped the **** out! Trump spent the entire ****ing primary blasting the other GOP candidates as being too soft on immigration, what on Earth did you imagine they were talking about?

Jesus Christ.

Point of fact: I did not vote for Trump.

04-23-2017 , 05:11 PM

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President Donald J. Trump will deliver the keynote address at the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum’s Days of Remembrance (DOR) ceremony in the Capitol Rotunda on Tuesday, April 25 at 11:00 a.m.

Usually when trump does stuff like this, he does something to them pretty hard that day. (see environment)

04-23-2017 , 05:12 PM

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Maybe Sessions will outlaw snapchat or something to make them wake up.

Just wait for him to go after a few dispensaries and / or suppliers. Unfortunately, most of the states that have legalized it are already blue, but it might get enough national attention to shift some red / purple areas.

04-23-2017 , 05:15 PM

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More hyperbole. Great.

And yes, I do see something wrong with that. I would like to believe in that scenario, if the person in question is here for many years and has been a contributing member of society, there should be (and likely is) an apparatus in place for the person to legally apply for citizenship.

I think, though, that the earlier reference was to a 2 year old and I do not agree that a 2 year olds parents, just by virtue of having a child born in the US, should automatically become citizens.

fwiw, unless you're a soft white supremacist (and I'm not saying that you are), most of the disagreements you have with liberals about immigration are going to stem from the fact that you don't really know how things work, while they do. It's not a big deal or anything, and it's something that can be easily fixed (by reading), so it's kind of up to you whether you want to keep having these arguments or not, and whether you want people to see you as a dumb racist or not.

04-23-2017 , 05:17 PM

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trump doesn't want to be president of the blue states. **** them.

04-23-2017 , 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by hornbug

The early incompetence of the administration is something that Trump will grow out of. Corrupt Hillary would never have grown out of her corruption. The olds born before 1980 are not going to regret picking Trump over Hillary nor should they. Making tough decisions is part of life, they made the right call despite having two bad options to choose from.

Trumpnis incompetent and extremely corrupt, though. But you aren't really concerned with the corruption, you're just happy that he's putting the boot to brown people you're scared of.

04-23-2017 , 05:18 PM

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Maybe Sessions will outlaw snapchat or something to make them wake up.

He's almost certainly several degrees of separation away from knowing what snapchat is. 70 year old dedicated racists that glorify the pre-civil rights era don't really keep up with the hottest apps.

04-23-2017 , 05:19 PM

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You guys ever heard of cancellation of removal? Just as I suspected, a way exists...

04-23-2017 , 05:21 PM

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i was just thinking today that, what if trump just acts suspicious? like that's his personality quirk that whenever he's confronted on anything regardless of truth he gives off this conspicuously guilty affect?

He did a tremendous job convincing the people around him to act guilty too. Especially with Russia. Their performance deserves many awards.

04-23-2017 , 05:33 PM

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I appreciate the civility.

04-23-2017 , 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by mosdef

He's almost certainly several degrees of separation away from knowing what snapchat is. 70 year old dedicated racists that glorify the pre-civil rights era don't really keep up with the hottest apps.

Right - but Facebook might buy a bunch of Trump property or something, then get to write a law that somehow targets Snapchat.

04-23-2017 , 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by lew189

Point of fact: I did not vote for Trump.

Point of fact: You completely ignored multiple people pointing out that you don't even know what a DREAMer is.

LOL @ you.

04-23-2017 , 05:41 PM

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You guys ever heard of cancellation of removal? Just as I suspected, a way exists...

Just reading the wiki on this it looks like a dreamer would have to have a close relative (parent, spouse, child) who was a citizen or had a green card and would have to prove exceptional hardship to that relative. That would apply to very few dreamers, so, no, this isn't a way that exists.

And of course, that's why Democrats tried to pass the DREAM Act in the first place--because these people weren't protected by current law.

04-23-2017 , 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ASAP17

Bad sign for the future is how few young people cared enough to vote when everyone was aware of the stakes in this election.

See, that's the thing. Young people didn't know what was at stake.

Think about it. Someone that is 20 right now was 9-10 when Obama was elected in 2008. Obama was their president for close to 50% of their life. They grew up going to middle school,HS, and now college assuming things like gay rights, Planned Parenthood, Climate Change etc. are every day social norms.

Now they are seeing that the entire GOP thinks these things are either illegal or don't exist in the first place. It's an eye opener.

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