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04-14-2017 , 02:21 PM
Americans bomb and kill civilians in those places all the time.

And when they do, groups like ISIS come in and provide power, water, clothing, etc. to the villagers. So the U.S. is bombing them but then ISIS comes in and actually helps them. Who do you think they're going to trust?

Add to that the fact that Trump has turned this into a Holy War against Islam. Even W was smart enough to see that that plays right into the hands of the extremists. He is doing nothing but making this situation worse every day he remains in office.
04-14-2017 , 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by cuserounder
So basically, there was a non-violent partial military coup? Cause the generals are now running a big chunk of our foreign policy with no advance oversight.
The alternative is worse.
04-14-2017 , 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by TheHip41
I'm a non violent person, but if some random middle eastern country was constantly dropping bombs on the USA, I would join the cause to **** them up.


Now reverse the roles, thats why they hate us.
you know, it's almost as if trump supporters and right wingers don't think of brown people as actual human beings...
04-14-2017 , 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by +rep_lol
you know, it's almost as if trump supporters and right wingers don't view brown people as actual human beings...
Yup. Thought exercise. There's an active and dangerous group of terrorists in London, and they're threatening to attack the U.S. Would we "bomb the **** out of London?" Now do the same exercise for Amsterdam, Paris, Berlin, Rome, and Baghdad.
04-14-2017 , 02:49 PM
I'd like to think if a white supremacist militia was launching terrorist attacks from Idaho, Montana, Wyoming; and Canada having been victimized by them struck back, I wouldn't rush to join the Aryan Nations to defend "our" country and "our" people from the horrible Canadians
04-14-2017 , 02:51 PM
Lol

Why would a white supremacist militia be attacking Canada?
04-14-2017 , 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by th14
America wasn't bombing Afghanistan before the attacks of 9/11.

America isn't indiscriminately destroying the Muslim world, check the cities here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...mber_countries USA is attacking jihadis hiding in deserts and mountain caves before they can mount further terror attacks all over the world

If you were a moderate person in a city and fundamentalist terrorists were killed in the remote wilderness maybe you should try to discern whether or not they deserved it for reasons beyond simple nationalism

they literally did 9/11 because we invaded the Middle East

wtf are you talking about
04-14-2017 , 02:52 PM
you might if your family members got killed by their bombs
04-14-2017 , 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by th14
America wasn't bombing Afghanistan before the attacks of 9/11.

America isn't indiscriminately destroying the Muslim world, check the cities here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...mber_countries USA is attacking jihadis hiding in deserts and mountain caves before they can mount further terror attacks all over the world

If you were a moderate person in a city and fundamentalist terrorists were killed in the remote wilderness maybe you should try to discern whether or not they deserved it for reasons beyond simple nationalism

so the 100 civilians we killed in a drone strike last month, those don't count?
04-14-2017 , 03:00 PM
News #1: Trump keeps WH visitor logs secret
News #2: Trump keeps WH visitor logs secret
News #3: Trump keeps WH visitor logs secret
Fox: White House decides against releasing visitor records

Standard.
04-14-2017 , 03:17 PM
I can kind of understand people not learning all the lessons of World War II. It really did happen a long time ago, the world was a different place, and most people that actually saw it happen have died or are very old.

But how have we already forgotten the lessons of Iraq and Afghanistan? Was this very thing not litigated during the campaigns? And wasn't the overwhelming message of 45* that Iraq was a bad thing? Can we not even remember the lessons of the last twenty years? Are we really that dumb or is it just that our lives are so much softer and easier than ever. This is really making me lose faith in humanity all over again.
04-14-2017 , 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by th14
America wasn't bombing Afghanistan before the attacks of 9/11.
But we've been bombing them steadily since October of 2001, which means an entire generation of young adults has grown up in a country constantly bombed by the US.

Do you think they like us because of all the freedom we've brought them?
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America isn't indiscriminately destroying the Muslim world, check the cities here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...mber_countries USA is attacking jihadis hiding in deserts and mountain caves before they can mount further terror attacks all over the world
Cool Wiki link, check this one out: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shock_and_awe#Campaign
04-14-2017 , 03:26 PM
Future Trump strikes again!
04-14-2017 , 03:32 PM
04-14-2017 , 03:48 PM
In keeping with the theme of the previous Tweets, may I present:


Donald Trump has overtaken Barack Obama on executive orders*

Last edited by otatop; 04-14-2017 at 04:12 PM. Reason: *through the same time period in office
04-14-2017 , 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by sylar
It's ****ing grotesque at this point.
Brian Williams tho
04-14-2017 , 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by einbert
Yup. Thought exercise. There's an active and dangerous group of terrorists in London, and they're threatening to attack the U.S. Would we "bomb the **** out of London?" Now do the same exercise for Amsterdam, Paris, Berlin, Rome, and Baghdad.
The reason we don't bomb these places, including Baghdad recently, is because they have central governments strong enough to arrest terrorists so we don't need to bomb them. This doesn't apply to southern Afghanistan or western Mosul.
04-14-2017 , 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Clovis8
If there was justice the nuke would selectively kill only moronic trumpkins, taking sushy first.
WOW. Clovis escalating the personal attacks.

Wishing death on me now.
04-14-2017 , 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by JordanIB
they're only doing this because the trump administration has built up so much trust among the voters and taxpayers, that it's no longer necessary for anyone to check on what the white house is up to anymore. we can just take their word on it
04-14-2017 , 04:24 PM
If you take out all the fake news they're truthing at 100% efficiency
04-14-2017 , 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by cuserounder
I said 30-50% AND the media though. I think the line where the media stops cheering is pretty different. I agree the 30% number is way, way higher and basically includes all of Africa, all of the Middle East, a lot of Asia, and some of Eastern Europe. The media is key, as that plays into his approval ratings.
I honestly can't imagine what the US Military could do, after the debauches of the Bush administration, that would get the media, writ large, to turn on them. I think we could bomb almost anywhere that wouldn't disrupt our economy, and the public's response would be ,"meh."

We're bombarded with pro-military propaganda, much of it disseminated by the most mainstream of outlets, and we are able to man it with an all volunteer force, so I also doubt that ending a foreign engagement, unless it were capable of disrupting American's day to day lives, will turn an election anytime soon. When Bush the Elder sent us into Kuwait he got on TV and said "This will not be another Vietnam." And he was right. Public sentiment is unlikely to ever force the hand of the US military ever again.

Last edited by stinkubus; 04-14-2017 at 04:32 PM. Reason: clarity
04-14-2017 , 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by iron81
The reason we don't bomb these places, including Baghdad recently, is because they have central governments strong enough to arrest terrorists so we don't need to bomb them. This doesn't apply to southern Afghanistan or western Mosul.
Some of those places have nuclear weapons themselves so bombing them would be pretty stupid...which is why nuclear weapons appeal to the likes of Iran and North Korea.

Plus an attack on a NATO member is an attack on all NATO members, so the US would be ****ed.
04-14-2017 , 04:50 PM
The new acting head of the U.S. Department of Education’s Office for Civil Rights once complained that she experienced discrimination because she is white.

betsy devos just hires the best people
04-14-2017 , 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by TheHip41
they literally did 9/11 because we invaded the Middle East

wtf are you talking about
"Invaded", no. Osama Bin Laden declared war on the USA in 1996 because American troops were stationed in Saudi Arabia. OBL also judged King Fahd (Saudi Arabia) an infidel and apostate because he gave permission for the American troops, and because he followed civil rather than sharia law.
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The latest and the greatest of these aggressions, incurred by the Muslims since the death of the Prophet (ALLAH'S BLESSING AND SALUTATIONS ON HIM) is the occupation of the land of the two Holy Places -the foundation of the house of Islam, the place of the revelation, the source of the message and the place of the noble Ka'ba, the Qiblah of all Muslims- by the armies of the American Crusaders and their allies. (We bemoan this and can only say: "No power and power acquiring except through Allah").
Islamist extremists attack America and other countries like France and Germany because they are non-Muslims with a presence in the Middle East, not as retaliation for specific acts of wrongdoing e.g. murder, rape, pillage. OBL justified the killing of civilians by saying: Allah demands jihad to spread Islam, those who die in the quest as Muslims will go to Heaven, those who die as non-Muslims will go to Hell, and either is deserved.
04-14-2017 , 05:11 PM
Th trying to outdo Raheem as the worst arsenal poster in politicsm

      
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