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04-12-2017 , 04:35 PM
Redemption 2.0

North Carolina GOP Votes to Dilute Governor’s Power and Curtail Voting Rights—Again
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slate..._all_dt_tw_top
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Just weeks after a court struck down the centerpiece of North Carolina Republicans’ legislative coup, the GOP-dominated legislature has initiated a new power grab that will once again strip authority from the Democratic governor and curtail voting rights throughout the state.

This week’s vote marks another attempt by Republicans to consolidate power before judicial intervention and shifting demographics threaten their dominance in the state. Their trouble began in December, when Republican Gov. Pat McCrory finally conceded defeat to his Democratic rival Roy Cooper. Days earlier, a federal court had ruled that Republicans’ veto-proof majorities in both houses of the legislature were the result of an unconstitutional racial gerrymander and ordered new elections. The GOP felt its grasp on power slipping away—so it held a special session to dilute Cooper’s authority and restrict the franchise.

A key feature of the insurgence was an overhaul of the state election board. Previously, the governor appointed five members to the board—three from his or her party and two from the minority party. In turn, the state board appointed three members to each county election board—two from the governor’s party and one from the minority party. These boards created and implemented rules regarding voting procedures, including early and absentee voting, registration, ballot access, and precinct location. Under McCrory, Republicans held a majority on every board, and they used this power to curb voting rights quite effectively. After a federal appeals court blocked a voter suppression law for “target[ing] African Americans with almost surgical precision,” for instance, state and county election boards implemented the law’s worst provisions anyway.

Cooper’s election should have allowed Democrats to retake control over these boards, reversing voter suppression rules and expanding suffrage. But the GOP thwarted Cooper by completely reorganizing the boards. A bill passed during the December session combined the state election board with the State Ethics Commission, creating a “New State Board” with eight members. The governor and the legislature would each select four members, and the board could only take action with a supermajority of six votes. A Republican would chair the board during election years; a Democrat would chair it during non-election years. And county boards would gain a member, with each board split between two Republicans and two Democrats.

A state court struck down this rearrangement in March, holding that it violated the state constitution’s command of separation of powers. The election board, the court explained, is “primarily executive in nature,” meaning the governor “must have enough control over [the appointees] to perform his constitutional duty” to “faithfully execute the laws.” By creating perpetual deadlock, Republicans had granted the governor “inadequate control” over the board. Their maneuver effectively barred him “from ensuring faithful execution of the laws”—thereby infringing upon powers constitutionally assigned to the executive branch. Thus, the court invalidated the election board overhaul.

Republicans responded to that ruling this week by slightly rewriting the unconstitutional bill and swiftly passing the altered version. Their new measure still merges the state election board and ethics commission, creating “The North Carolina Bipartisan State Board of Elections and Ethics Enforcement.” This reshuffled board would still have eight members, four Democrats and four Republicans. The governor would choose all eight members, albeit from a list submitted by both party chairs, and the board could take action with a vote of five members instead of six. County election boards would again be given an extra member and split between two Republicans and two Democrats.

The House and the Senate have already passed this new bill, thanks to the GOP’s dominance in both chambers. Cooper has vowed to veto it, but Republican supermajorities are bound to override his veto. It will therefore fall upon the courts once again to determine whether the GOP can lawfully hobble Cooper’s efforts to restore voting rights. Given the North Carolina constitution’s unusually stringent separation of powers requirement, the bill appears likely to fail. It would, after all, engender the same deadlock problem as the old measure: Divided evenly between parties, the state and county boards will probably reach a constant impasse. In striking down the previous election board law, the court evinced serious concern about this stalemate problem; indeed, fear of indefinite deadlock compelled the court’s conclusion that the law improperly usurped power from the governor. The new bill presents the same problem in a slightly less extreme form. No court should be fooled by the legislature’s attempt to repackage the old bill; a slightly less unconstitutional law is still unconstitutional.
04-12-2017 , 04:37 PM
"SOON: CNN's Jake Tapper will interview Carter Page about allegations of his ties to Russia.
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popcorn...
04-12-2017 , 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Kirbynator
"SOON: CNN's Jake Tapper will interview Carter Page about allegations of his ties to Russia.
"

popcorn...
WHY DOES HE KEEP DOING SHOWS?! Carter, my man, you will end up taking a polonium dirt nap if you keep going on these shows. Just say no.
04-12-2017 , 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by BroadwaySushy
Isn't inciting violence against forum rules?
Sorry snowflake, you don't get to defend Trump's campaign speeches inciting violence and then turn around and condemn similar statements made against him.
04-12-2017 , 05:07 PM
04-12-2017 , 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by pudley4
Sorry snowflake, you don't get to defend Trump's campaign speeches inciting violence and then turn around and condemn similar statements made against him.
He will say that he never defended those speeches specifically. Then you will ask him if he now condemns Trump's incitement of violence. He will either ignore your question, if the forum is lucky, or he will respond with a semantic argument saying that Trump never actually told his supporters to hit protesters, he only waxed nostalgic on the good old days when protesters would get hit. This subtle difference, you see, exculpates Trump of any wrong doing. You will argue that this is absurd. The board will complain about Sushy AIDS being quoted, and the Merry-Go-Round will continue to spin.

I hope my posting of this account circumvents the inevitability of its occurence. But I'm not overly optimistic.
04-12-2017 , 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by AllTheCheese
WHY DOES HE KEEP DOING SHOWS?! Carter, my man, you will end up taking a polonium dirt nap if you keep going on these shows. Just say no.
Everyone involved with the campaign in any way seems to be a complete egomaniac that can't resist giving press interviews, even if there's literally no way for them to come out of it looking good.

It's almost admirable.
04-12-2017 , 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by DudeImBetter
literal lol
04-12-2017 , 05:40 PM

https://twitter.com/RachelMorris/sta...71053334249472
04-12-2017 , 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by DudeImBetter
At least I got chicken.
04-12-2017 , 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by th14

https://twitter.com/RachelMorris/sta...71053334249472
rofl nobody knew international diplomacy would be this complicated
04-12-2017 , 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Max Cut

https://twitter.com/DLin71/status/851876199815155713
It's interesting... the right feels like the left has tried to beat decency into the ground, and since attempting to defend their version of decency (christianity) hasn't worked, the new tack is to take things people perceive as sacred (like respecting the holocaust) and beat them into the ground.

I imagine a 2018 version of Joe McCarthy being asked "At long last, have you left no sense of decency?" and saying "Nope. Mitch, kick him out."
04-12-2017 , 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by ScreaminAsian
rofl nobody knew international diplomacy would be this complicated
Odds that he listened for more than 10 minutes basically zero, right?
04-12-2017 , 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by SuperUberBob
Odds that he listened for more than 10 minutes basically zero, right?
oh yeah. he tuned out immediately, and he's only implying he tuned out after 10 minutes because he thinks normal people think 10 minutes is a long time to listen to someone
04-12-2017 , 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by SuperUberBob
Odds that he listened for more than 10 minutes basically zero, right?
Well... it was more like one minute of material that Xi had to repeat ten times
04-12-2017 , 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by ScreaminAsian
rofl nobody knew international diplomacy would be this complicated
In Asia, with thousands of years of history between the two nations. Yup, who'd have thunk it?
04-12-2017 , 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by wheatrich
Seems ridic that so many people are mad a 27 point dog only lost by 7 on the road in Kansas 4, which is the Koch's home district. The more attention, the more R whips up the votes, it's still comfortable R district in a full election year, but any R in < +10 district are gonna feel the heat now.
We're not mad at the outcome, we're mad that the DNC/DCCC/State Party gave him a total of $3,000 (all from the state party). They had a shot to win that seat, and they didn't even try... Meanwhile, Perez gave some BS about there being thousands of elections every year, as if this isn't one of the 10 most important in 2017.
04-12-2017 , 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by cuserounder
We're not mad at the outcome, we're mad that the DNC/DCCC/State Party gave him a total of $3,000 (all from the state party). They had a shot to win that seat, and they didn't even try... Meanwhile, Perez gave some BS about there being thousands of elections every year, as if this isn't one of the 10 most important in 2017.
Has there ever been a flip flop of a district one party won by 27 points in just a few months? I agree with your general point; but people have completely lost their minds on this narrative they could've won with more effort. The only chance to win was to do the bare minimum and hope to catch R's asleep. If they gave it what they're doing with ossoff, they still lose by 15 or so I'd reckon. Still if the +10 or so gain holds up that's very good for democrats.

Ofc, with perez and dnc, it might simply be lol anyone that's a bernie bro. Bernie isn't a democrat and neither is the $ in the democratic party. That's another issue and matter entirely.
04-12-2017 , 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by pudley4
Sorry snowflake, you don't get to defend Trump's campaign speeches inciting violence and then turn around and condemn similar statements made against him.
I fail to see what Trump has got to do with the rules of this forum, but fyi I don't approve of anybody inciting violence including Trump.

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Originally Posted by AllTheCheese
He will say that he never defended those speeches specifically. Then you will ask him if he now condemns Trump's incitement of violence. He will either ignore your question, if the forum is lucky, or he will respond with a semantic argument saying that Trump never actually told his supporters to hit protesters, he only waxed nostalgic on the good old days when protesters would get hit. This subtle difference, you see, exculpates Trump of any wrong doing. You will argue that this is absurd. The board will complain about Sushy AIDS being quoted, and the Merry-Go-Round will continue to spin.

I hope my posting of this account circumvents the inevitability of its occurence. But I'm not overly optimistic.
Hey Cheese, remember when you asked me if I would call Trump a weak pussy if he didn't take any action after Assad crossed the line once again?

Spoiler:
No comment.
04-12-2017 , 07:18 PM
Trump has reversed himself on just about everything that made himself anything but a bog standard establishment Republican

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/trump...0b9e98488ea64?
04-12-2017 , 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by wheatrich
Has there ever been a flip flop of a district one party won by 27 points in just a few months? I agree with your general point; but people have completely lost their minds on this narrative they could've won with more effort. The only chance to win was to do the bare minimum and hope to catch R's asleep. If they gave it what they're doing with ossoff, they still lose by 15 or so I'd reckon. Still if the +10 or so gain holds up that's very good for democrats.

Ofc, with perez and dnc, it might simply be lol anyone that's a bernie bro. Bernie isn't a democrat and neither is the $ in the democratic party. That's another issue and matter entirely.
I doubt it, but has there ever been a period of time in politics like the last four to six months?

I'm particularly upset if it's "lol Bernie bros," because his ideas and policies connect with a large percentage of the Democratic party - especially the lower/middle class voters. Further, he (Thompson) won the Democratic primary; he's one of them.

I wouldn't be upset if they ignored this district in '16, '18, etc, but in a special election in '17 when there are only a few seats up for grabs, a couple hundred thousand could have been huge. If they turned out more of their typical voters there, they could have stolen it.

Ossoff has raised/gotten $8M. $200K wouldn't have set off alarm bells. Even a couple of robocalls from Bernie, Obama, or whatever other Democrats would resonate in that district could have helped. Instead, he got $3K from the state party after begging for it. WTF else does the Kansas Democratic Party have to spend on in 2017?

They also didn't lose by 15 or more and gained a lot more than 10 percent.
04-12-2017 , 07:34 PM
Trump's finally seeing why things are the way they are.

He also might be recognizing how weak he is in foreign affairs.
04-12-2017 , 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Kirbynator
"SOON: CNN's Jake Tapper will interview Carter Page about allegations of his ties to Russia.
"

popcorn...
Jake Tapper came off looking stupid in the interview imo. Page walked all over him.
04-12-2017 , 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
Trump has reversed himself on just about everything that made himself anything but a bog standard establishment Republican

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/trump...0b9e98488ea64?
and this one from today:

Trump on NATO: ‘I said it was obsolete. It’s no longer obsolete.’
During a joint news conference Wednesday afternoon with NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg, Trump professed that his criticisms prompted the alliance to make changes that satisfied his concerns--though he did not specify what those were.

“I complained about that a long time ago, and they made a change — and now they do fight terrorism,” Trump said. “I said it was obsolete. It's no longer obsolete.”

It's unclear what changes the president was referencing. NATO added a new assistant secretary general position focused on intelligence and security in July, although experts say the change does not mark a major shift for the organization and point out that NATO has long addressed concerns of terrorism. For months after the position was created, Trump continued to call NATO obsolete.

      
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