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04-09-2017 , 09:31 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
Overflowing with empathy for the working class, as always.


This is what I'm talking about how you're a bad liar. You can't stick to the script because you get your feelings hurt by disagreement.
I grew up in a farm town in rural Ohio. I left. But I have friends and family stil there.

Of course my life experiences cloud my political opinions.
04-09-2017 , 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Clovis8
There is no economic or social theory in existence which would provide for 100% employment.
Job guarantee provides for 100% employment, widely promoted in MMT as superior to UBI
(cheaper, less inflationary, socially positive work is done for money rather than being freely given)
The government would act as employer of last resort, offering a wage for anyone wanting work.
Jacobin magazine explains it more, or this video
04-09-2017 , 09:33 PM
awval,

The whole set of solutions 45* is trying to sell your friends in Ohio is not feasible. If he really were to put tariffs on imported goods, prices at Wal-Mart would shoot way up for everybody. That's why we're so concerned.
04-09-2017 , 09:37 PM
Jesus Christ einbert what the ****
04-09-2017 , 09:38 PM
Do. Not. Humor. Their. Insincere. Bull****.

awval is the ****ing opposition, and I would think by ****ing April we would get over this ****ing Hillbilly Elegy fairy tale that Trump was a working class revolt against trade. For Christ's sake. How many more Goldman guys in the cabinet is it going to take?
04-09-2017 , 09:53 PM
Today I learned not everyone can read Hemingway, which comes as a surprise. I always assumed it was because they lacked the intellectual curiosity to read Hemingway.
04-09-2017 , 09:56 PM
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Originally Posted by th14
Job guarantee provides for 100% employment, widely promoted in MMT as superior to UBI
(cheaper, less inflationary, socially positive work is done for money rather than being freely given)
The government would act as employer of last resort, offering a wage for anyone wanting work.
Jacobin magazine explains it more, or this video
My point was there will always be people who can't work. This is just another form of UBI not 100% employment.
04-09-2017 , 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by einbert
There are other jobs in the New New Deal besides just computer science anyway. Maybe they learn how to install solar panels.
Are you sure? According to your detractors literally the only thing ever will be computer science.
04-09-2017 , 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by einbert
There are other jobs in the New New Deal besides just computer science anyway. Maybe they learn how to install solar panels.
There are already twice as many people working in solar in the US as the coal industry.

I was a programmer for about 7 years and now in solar for about 10. If any out of work coal miners want training PM me.
04-09-2017 , 10:44 PM
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Originally Posted by fuluck414
Today I learned not everyone can read Hemingway, which comes as a surprise. I always assumed it was because they lacked the intellectual curiosity to read Hemingway.
We drank some wine. We watched the bulls run. We drank more wine. War is hell.
04-09-2017 , 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted by 5ive
We drank some wine. We watched the bulls run. We drank more wine. War is hell.
Brett and Cohn are always tight for some reason.
04-09-2017 , 10:52 PM
uh oh, trump in league with the GLOBALIST CUCKS?!

http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...o-outsourcing/
04-09-2017 , 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Kirbynator
uh oh, trump in league with the GLOBALIST CUCKS?!

http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...o-outsourcing/
Reading the disappointed comments here's one that reflects on the xenophobia bloc's opinion on Gorsuch

"I was willing to let a few things slide but between the horrible Border Patrol appointment and now this new idiot... I'm becoming slowly heartbroken.

Be grateful it's nit Hillary at least, and we have a great SCOTUS appt."
04-09-2017 , 11:02 PM
still the goat

The sun also rises goat
04-09-2017 , 11:37 PM
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Originally Posted by awval999
Sorry I didn't see that.

Trade is complicated. But I'm pretty sure everyone here know that.

I really don't know the answer to the following dilemma:

Manufacturing allowed the lower educated (white) working class to have a middle class income and lifestyle. Capital will always try to lower labor costs. Capital moved factories overseas or across the border to save on labor costs. Working class revolted.

The answer by the way, isn't simply education. Unfortunately, some of these people aren't destined for highly educated type jobs. And yes you can leave them behind, but you saw the outcome of that, it was Trump.

I guess I could keep babbling on, but I do feel for these people. And while I'm aware that life isn't fair, and you can't count on factory jobs forever, be more marketable, blah, blah, it does feel like (to me at least) that perhaps [something] should be done about extracting foreign labor at slave wages and then selling the products back into our country with all the additional profits going to capital.

I find it interesting that the vocal left are "Fighting for $15" as a minimum wage, yet want to laugh at the factory workers as not being "marketable" enough when their jobs go to Mexico. So for example, the left finds it appalling that in Yuma, AZ, a fast-food worker doesn't make $15/hour, but a Mexican factory worker in Mexicali, MX working for $4/day is fine and dandy?

Why isn't it OUTRAGEOUS to you guys that capital moves their factory to a place just for cheaper labor, and then expects to sell their widgets back into this country for no penalty?

But I'm not doubting the complexity of the situation. I think at this point the global supply chain is very embedded and any disruption to that is probably going to cause some short-term problems that most Americans wouldn't be happy with.

But Trumps #2 issue (#1 immigration?) was trade and "bringing the jobs back" and I think it is pretty obvious he has no plans to do anything on NAFTA besides minor changes and he isn't going to get tough with China. That is kinda the point, he makes everything sound easy as **** and yet he can't do anything, at what point do you just say "Ok yeah, con man, sounded good but it's not happening"

https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/a...hreats-ignored

Ford and GM can send as many press releases to the WH as they want about investing in Michigan, but nothing is going to change.

So con man? I mean, how long do we need to measure this stuff? NAFTA isn't going anywhere and neither are cheap imports.
04-09-2017 , 11:37 PM
When people say that "college isn't for everybody", people should consider that being too stupid or too poor are just a couple of the possible reasons for it not being good for everybody.

Some people don't fit in well with academia. I didn't psychologically adjust well to life in a university setting. My grades were terrific in high school but horrible in college because of severe anxiety and depression that I unknowingly suffered from for my 4 years in higher education. I gained about 60 pounds and was a recluse to the point where I didn't have the will to get out of bed and go to class let alone seek out a therapist. I graduated but didn't gain much from the experience. My bachelor's degree only indicates that I know more about a topic, economics, than I did when I entered college. Although I had the intellect to do well in college, I might have been better off either in a different school or figuring myself out mentally before entering college in the first place.

Others might want to do something that college can't provide for him. There are people who want to be auto mechanics or construction workers. While it is true that an engineering degree would help that person achieve more than just being a hands-on worker, some people don't want that. They'd be happier but not wealthier in a vocational job where they work with their hands. Perhaps vocational classes in a non-university setting would be a better option than college for people like that. Yet, we look down on people who take those classes. We assume that they're there because they were too dumb to go to college when that is not the case.

My cousin is a great example of the above. Super-smart guy with great grades but he wanted to be a chef. Instead of taking offers from major universities, he went to culinary school and aspired to be a chef. He took money he would have spent going to school and traveled throughout Thailand while learning to cook Southeast Asian cuisine after completing school and in the end he spent substantially less than he would attending a uni. When he couldn't find work that he enjoyed as a chef, he taught himself some computer programming languages and now works in IT.

Reality is that some people just don't want to go to college either because their aspirations lie elsewhere or it just doesn't suit them personally. As a society, we are hurting those people by making college mandatory for jobs where a college education is not needed. We also correlate lack of college with lack of intellect rather than recognizing other aspirations that people have. In response, those who didn't want to go or need college moved to elect Donald Trump as a **** you to people who unjustifiably stigmatized them.

Education today is educating people to attend college, not to be functioning members of society. But college should not be considered the endgame for everybody. A well-rounded education system should offer adequate classes in vocational fields and encourage enrollment in technical schools for those that aren't interested in college. They should not be punished by the market or ridiculed by society for that decision.
04-09-2017 , 11:40 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
There are already twice as many people working in solar in the US as the coal industry.

I was a programmer for about 7 years and now in solar for about 10. If any out of work coal miners want training PM me.
ITC seems pretty safe these days, no?

If it was another republican it might be in more jeopardy but when Trump is talking jobs, jobs, jobs he can't really put a burden on the residential construction industry with the most job growth in the last 5-6 years.
04-09-2017 , 11:43 PM
got a hunch bannon is gone in less than a week
04-09-2017 , 11:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Kirbynator
got a hunch bannon is gone in less than a week
Probably.

Breitbart supposedly turning against the administration in some articles.
04-09-2017 , 11:54 PM
H. R. McMaster sounds like the pen name of somebody who writes historical fiction for guys who imagine themselves intellectuals but really just like reading genre novels.

Had to get that off my chest.
04-09-2017 , 11:56 PM
or HP lovecraft
04-09-2017 , 11:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Onlydo2days
ITC seems pretty safe these days, no?

If it was another republican it might be in more jeopardy but when Trump is talking jobs, jobs, jobs he can't really put a burden on the residential construction industry with the most job growth in the last 5-6 years.
I wouldn't bank on Trump doing anything to extend it or anything, but I doubt it will be cut. It's set at 30% until 2020, 26% the next year, 22% the year after and then it expires. Total installation price has dropped more than 50% since the tax credit was in place and will probably drop another 30% before it expires. I think the tax credit and the utility rebates have been great and the solar industry wouldn't be anywhere near where it's at without them, but letting it phase out and hopefully a carbon tax to come would be a pretty reasonable policy imo. 8 years ago a carbon tax and no subsidies wouldn't have done **** for renewables though.

(That's all very America centric of course. USA is only #4 in solar.)
04-09-2017 , 11:59 PM
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Originally Posted by zikzak
H. R. McMaster sounds like the pen name of somebody who writes historical fiction for guys who imagine themselves intellectuals but really just like reading genre novels.

Had to get that off my chest.
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Originally Posted by Kirbynator
or HP lovecraft
more like

04-10-2017 , 12:16 AM
I agree with superbob on college. Personally I think the majority of college students today aren't even served well by the experience outside of socializing and networking. For most modern students it does nothing to prepare them for a real job or career.

While there are absolutely many key areas where the traditional experience provides requisite value that does not encompass the majority of students. I also think trade schools as they exist now have their own issues that only make them good for another subset of profsssions/careers. This leaves the majority of people seeking post high school education in a hole of little benefit and potentially lots of debt. There needs to be a rethinking of how we educate, train and improve that group.
04-10-2017 , 12:21 AM
There's more to college than career prep, networking or socializing.

      
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