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next up on hannity, let's ***** about the raid on the president's lawyer who by the way is also my own lawyer which ethically I should've told you that but I didn't because we don't have any ethics at all.

04-16-2018 , 04:07 PM

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JoeC2012

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Originally Posted by adam001

80 whole minutes to cover a complex issue. The humanity! I guess you guys prefer strictly posting Trump twitter updates with 0 interesting discussion to waste all of our time. Also its pretty telling that 3/4 of the posts disagreeing with what I say include foul language. Hmm I wonder why that is. Oh yeah, immature, emotion based thinking with 0 content.

Fully agree and I don't see why you're taking so much heat for this. I did happen to watch the video, the whole thing was interesting but I thought the point made at the 51:19 mark was especially poignant-- what do you think about that?

04-16-2018 , 04:09 PM

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MrWookie

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HANNITY BABY

04-16-2018 , 04:12 PM

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champstark

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Originally Posted by d10

Even Saul Goodman wanted $5 to make the relationship official. I assume some panicked lawyer rushed in after the first statement to make the revision. It seems like claiming you never had an attorney-client relationship with your attorney is on the same level as claiming you were never a party to an NDA that you're trying to enforce.

No money needs to be exchanged hands to establish attorney-client privilege.

The requirements:

1. A communication

2. Between an attorney and a (prospective or established) client

3. For the purpose of seeking legal advice

That's it.

(obviously there are exceptions that nullify the privilege: crime, third party, etc.)

04-16-2018 , 04:14 PM

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microbet

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Is the assumption that Cohen is really doing legal work for Hannity? Seems more like a conduit for money from the Kochs or Mercers to make Trump's payoffs.

04-16-2018 , 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by microbet

Is the assumption that Cohen is really doing legal work for Hannity? Seems more like a conduit for money from the Kochs or Mercers to make Trump's payoffs.

Nah, he's a fixer, he's not doing actual legal work.

04-16-2018 , 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by champstark

No money needs to be exchanged hands to establish attorney-client privilege.

The requirements:

1. A communication

2. Between an attorney and a (prospective or established) client

3. For the purpose of seeking legal advice

That's it.

(obviously there are exceptions that nullify the privilege: crime, third party, etc.)

So the legal definition of the word client does not include the exchange of payment?

04-16-2018 , 04:17 PM

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JoeC2012

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Originally Posted by champstark

3>>>2>4>>>1>5

COME AT ME BRO

I have 2>3, other than that these rankings are spot on IMO.

04-16-2018 , 04:18 PM

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I would assume that payment exchanging hands just makes it foolproof to prove that they are an "established" client, where proving someone is a "prospective" client could be trickier.

04-16-2018 , 04:19 PM

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champstark

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Originally Posted by cuserounder

So the legal definition of the word client does not include the exchange of payment?

Why would it require payment?

Do you think pro bono attorneys don't have privileged communications with their clients? Public defenders?

04-16-2018 , 04:20 PM

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Most likely scenario here has to be Cohen paid someone off for Hannity, Cohen got paid by the RNC or some other source.

04-16-2018 , 04:21 PM

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champstark

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Originally Posted by Zimmer4141

I would assume that payment exchanging hands just makes it foolproof to prove that they are an "established" client, where proving someone is a "prospective" client could be trickier.

There is no real difference for attorney-client privilege.

If you come to me with whatever your problem is in search of legal advice and I listen to you, that conversation is privileged, whether or not you become my "client."

04-16-2018 , 04:21 PM

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BTW, if Cohen isn't Hannity's lawyer, as he appears to claim, then Cohen and his team have been lying to the judge.

Money doesn't need to change hands for AC privilege to attach, but it does indicate that someone is actually a client and is actually seeking legal advice and not just, say, coordinating on how to undermine Mueller with Trump via Cohen.

04-16-2018 , 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by simplicitus

A tie is fair.

https://twitter.com/PulitzerPrizes/s...57264711454721

Award committee member 1: The frontrunners are the NYT and the WaPo.
Award committee member 2: That's going to be a tough choice.
Award committee member 3: True, let's just figure out which one will piss off Trump more and give it to them.
*deep thinking...*
Award committee member 1+2+3: (in unison) Let's give it to both!!!

04-16-2018 , 04:23 PM

#93991

champstark

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Quote:

Originally Posted by simplicitus

BTW, if Cohen isn't Hannity's lawyer, as he appears to claim, then Cohen and his team have been lying to the judge.

This is a good point and although his lawyers seem terrible, I doubt they are dumb enough to risk losing their licenses over this point.

04-16-2018 , 04:25 PM

#93992

master3004

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Originally Posted by cuserounder

I listened to Hannity's show until he issued his statement. You all owe me dearly. I need a shower.

"Michael never represented me in any matter, I never retained him in the traditional sense as retaining a lawyer, I never received an invoice from Michael, I never paid legal fees to Michael, but I have occasionally had brief discussions with him about legal questions about which I wanted his input and perspective. And I assume that those conversations were attorney-client confidential."

"Not one of any issue I ever dealt with Michael Cohen on ever, ever involved a matter between me and any third party. Now, I have eight attorneys that I use for varying things in my life, and in this particular case, I like to have people I can run questions by."

He claimed attorney-client privilege was established by saying, "Attorney-client?" and getting an affirmative response. Doesn't this have to be established by PAYING the attorney?

A few minutes later he says he probably gave him $10 once or something. He went on to opine about the death of truth and the demise of attorney-client privilege.

Sounds like he's using the "I never paid the man a cent" knowing that SOMEBODY paid for him to have legal advice from Cohen. It will come out eventually

04-16-2018 , 04:25 PM

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Anyone have a Hannity-related trivia team name idea that I could use tonight?

04-16-2018 , 04:27 PM

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fatboy8

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I'm trying to do work today and I can't slide in to my desk due to the woodrow that this Hannity news has given me.

Please let there be an NDA between Hannity and a porn star.

04-16-2018 , 04:27 PM

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https://twitter.com/PPVSRB/status/985976650939514880

04-16-2018 , 04:27 PM

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markksman

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So it’s win win?

04-16-2018 , 04:28 PM

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uDevil

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Hannity is calling the President's lawyer a liar. Which is true, tbf.

04-16-2018 , 04:28 PM

#93998

simplicitus

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Originally Posted by eyebooger

Anyone have a Hannity-related trivia team name idea that I could use tonight?

"Michael Cohen's Other Clients"

"Oh, the Huge-Hannity!"

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04-16-2018 , 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by simplicitus

BTW, if Cohen isn't Hannity's lawyer, as he appears to claim, then Cohen and his team have been lying to the judge.

Time for the lawyer of Trump's lawyer to find a lawyer!

04-16-2018 , 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by markksman

So it’s win win?

Well, TRO denied, and Hannity's now involved, so I'd say win-win.

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