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10-15-2017 , 03:55 PM

#62576

microbet

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Quote:

Originally Posted by awval999

Clearly racism.

But Obama was black.

Hmmm....

Misogyny it is!

Well, help me out, because Brown is to the left of HRC in pretty much every way. Obama too. And yet you voted Trump.

10-15-2017 , 03:57 PM

#62577

awval999

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Quote:

Originally Posted by microbet

Well, help me out, because Brown is to the left of HRC in pretty much every way. Obama too. And yet you voted Trump.

I mean it simply could be that no one liked Hillary.

10-15-2017 , 03:59 PM

#62578

chezlaw

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Quote:

Originally Posted by awval999

I just don’t get why you all think I’ll be unable to admit “I was wrong”.

Like I’m some sort of a child or something.

I took a ride on the Trump Train, if I don’t like the destination I’ll get off at the next stop at the corner of 2018 and Democracy and take the Blue Train back.

even if the next train driver promises tax cuts?

10-15-2017 , 04:01 PM

#62579

jalfrezi

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What if the Blue train doesn't take you back?

10-15-2017 , 04:02 PM

#62580

microbet

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Quote:

Originally Posted by awval999

I mean it simply could be that no one liked Hillary.

We were talking about you, not people generally.

Are you saying you voted Trump because you'd prefer to have a beer with him than with Hillary?

And what's there to like more about Trump than about Hillary?

10-15-2017 , 04:02 PM

#62581

Clovis8

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Quote:

Originally Posted by awval999

I mean it simply could be that no one liked Hillary.

Funny hypothesis given she got 3m more votes than your daddy.

10-15-2017 , 04:05 PM

#62582

batair

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Quote:

Originally Posted by awval999

Umm... I’m waiting for the tax cuts brah.

Hope they get raised on you. Not to bring you to the other side or anything. Just for spite.

10-15-2017 , 04:15 PM

#62583

Clovis8

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At this point trumpkins are simply not allowed to use the wait and see or lack of information defense for supporting Trump.

At this point if you support him it's because you SUPPORT him.

10-15-2017 , 04:16 PM

#62584

will1530

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Quote:

Originally Posted by All-In Flynn

I still maintain it's entirely possible the guy doesn't even vote and just likes RPing online as someone who voted for whoever's President.

There is a well documented and somewhat weird trend that a significant portion of people will retroactively say they voted for the winner of an election. Oddly, or obviously actually, this hasn't happened with Trump.

Quote:

Among Americans who say they voted in the 2016 election, 46 percent say they voted for Hillary Clinton and 43 percent for Trump

http://www.langerresearch.com/wp-con...ump100Days.pdf

btw. Some post election polls show that people voted for Obama by nearly 2:1 in 2008 and Bush crushing in 2000.

10-15-2017 , 04:24 PM

#62585

ScreaminAsian

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Quote:

Originally Posted by awval999

I mean it simply could be that no one liked Hillary.

62 million americans = real americans who are in touch with what america really thinks and feels

65 million americans = "no one"

10-15-2017 , 04:28 PM

#62586

microbet

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West Coast brag: Trump lost by 5 million votes in CA, OR and WA.

10-15-2017 , 04:41 PM

#62587

fuluck414

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Quote:

Originally Posted by microbet

West Coast brag: Trump lost by 5 million votes in CA, OR and WA.

3 million were illegal though.

10-15-2017 , 04:43 PM

#62588

Victor

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Quote:

Originally Posted by awval999

This is factually wrong.

Go look at the 2016 election map by county.

There are plenty of double Obama, then Trump voters in the Midwest.

Victor... you’re from Ohio. Just look at the Youngstown area.

ya I dont believe them. esp when those ppl tend to use obama voting as defense against after being accused of racism.

10-15-2017 , 04:46 PM

#62589

ScreaminAsian

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10-15-2017 , 04:47 PM

#62590

Westley

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I wonder at what % increase in the chance of nuclear war the tax savings stop becoming +ev ?

10-15-2017 , 04:59 PM

#62591

MrWookie

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Quote:

Originally Posted by awval999

It's because you insist that you voted for Obama twice despite an extensive written record contrary.

10-15-2017 , 05:02 PM

#62592

ScreaminAsian

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10-15-2017 , 05:12 PM

#62593

ANONN123

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You guys are way over thinking this. You aren't going to find logical explanations to Awval, he's just the political equivalent of a random button clicker. Too dumb to realize his own ignorance and unable to think critically about anything. He just voted for daddy because he liked the words that came out of daddy's mouth; whether it was the racist words or the other words doesn't really matter because he's an idiot and not worth discussing.

10-15-2017 , 05:38 PM

#62594

awval999

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MrWookie

It's because you insist that you voted for Obama twice despite an extensive written record contrary.

You literally gave my undertitle when a CLE suburban polling location attempted to bar me from voting for Obama because I rented and my driver's license didn't match the polling record.

You know I voted for Obama.

Go pull up the 2012 Election Night thread.

Sure, I voted for Ron Paul in the 2008/2012 primaries. Because, like this is 2+2 and anarchocapitalism. That's what we did here. But I voted for Obama in the general. And although I liked McCain -- the MAVERICK -- once the economy crashed in September, well, that was that. And **** RMoney and his hedge fund Bain Capital.

10-15-2017 , 05:41 PM

#62595

awval999

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Victor

ya I dont believe them. esp when those ppl tend to use obama voting as defense against after being accused of racism.

And here ya go.

Trump won those states because there are people who voted for Obama in 2008 and 2012 voted for TRUMP in 2016.

10-15-2017 , 05:43 PM

#62596

microbet

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bware

I think the first part at least is true and consistent with most human behavior. Liking Trump comes first and then constructing a rationale, in this case based on taxes, comes second. Addressing why he likes Trump is at least interesting or entertaining enough for people wasting here.

10-15-2017 , 05:43 PM

#62597

Clovis8

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Chart should be titled " a measure of just how stupid republicans are"

10-15-2017 , 05:53 PM

#62598

awval999

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Clovis8

Chart should be titled " a measure of just how stupid republicans are"

Those people, in rural Ohio and Wisconsin and Michigan.... aren't Republican.

They voted for Trump. In spite of his red GOP "R" next to his name.

Look at that Southeastern part of Ohio. It is democratic. Coal mining. Factory towns.

And if/when Trump doesn't deliver back their Midwestern factory jobs. And America isn't made GREAT AGAIN. Then the GOP gains in the Midwest will be given back to the Democrats.

I'm trying to explain this to the vast Atlantic/Pacific coastal posters here (and you too Clovis, you Canadian Mountie).

10-15-2017 , 05:56 PM

#62599

awval999

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Quote:

Originally Posted by microbet

I agree with this somewhat.

People do/did like Trump. His lack of political correctness. His zingers. His one-liners.

For now, people will justify Trump's actions.

But eventually, if he doesn't deliver jobs, if the factory workers' lives don't get better, if the upper middle class doesn't get their $39/week tax cut, if the white working class have to watch their children fight in Korea, or lose their insurance, he will lose his support, his Congress, and his re-election bid.