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The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns. The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns.

09-30-2017 , 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbo
My dad voted for Trump and when I asked him how he could support him, he said "deep down he really wants what's best for everyone." I don't agree with that, but even hypothetically if it was true then it still wouldn't matter because he has no idea what the **** he is doing.

It's the same reason I will never support the inevitable Oprah or Zuckerberg or Rock candidacy from Democrats. We shouldn't fight the most unqualified, greedy, monumental ******* candidate to ever exist by nominating someone who is equally unqualified but a better person. We should nominate a lifelong public servant who knows what the **** they're doing.
Here's the thing though. It's OK to be unqualified if you are honest about it and put smart people in situations to succeed. That's what a good leader does. Like, Obama probably doesn't know a thing about nuclear energy. But that's OK because he had a guy that knows about nuclear energy in charge of nuclear energy. What did Trump do? He put Rick Perry in charge and said "Go get 'em!"

As far as PR goes, all Trump has to do is put a General in charge and let that guy lead. But he's too incompetent to even do that.
09-30-2017 , 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by LostOstrich
You seriously think Trump isn't deliberately ****ing over the Puerto Ricans?
You seriously think "do whatever you can do, full support of govt" is an acceptable response to thousands of people being at serious risk of imminent death?
And wtf is the "he's busy golfing" reference? Do you think this is funny? WTF is wrong with you?
Don't worry. If 100K people die, he'll be concerned. If 200K die, he'll be troubled. But he's drawing a firm line at 300K and will protest.
09-30-2017 , 09:13 PM
You know who someone is by who their friends are. Trump has no friends, he has sycophants and family members who are beholden to him.

Trump sold himself throughout the campaign by telling everyone "ONLY I CAN FIX THIS." Why? What one unique thing did he bring to the table? Absolutely nothing. If saying he can hire the right people for the job (which he clearly cannot because everyone he's hired is being fired for incompetence or corruption, one by one) then literally anyone else could've been in his job who can hire people at the behest of GOP leadership.

I feel like the literal joke candidate won. This is like writing in "Seymour Butts" on your high school prom king ballot and Seymour Horatio Butts swoops in and rapes the prom queen.
09-30-2017 , 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
Related - layoffs happening at the mega-corporation I work at. Apparently you're in 3 buckets - definitely getting laid off, definitely not getting laid off, might get laid off if you want to.

I'm in the 3rd bucket along with most non-management people I have talked to. I said yes. My boss is lamenting that they always lose the best people when they do this. Although you also lose the unhappy people like I was. Great part is I get to go on my trip exactly as planned (I was going to take a leave of absence). But now I get 1/4 of my salary as severance to boot. #BLESSED
Glad it worked out for you. Did you ask about the leave of absence before? I'm really thinking about asking for a 6 month sabbatical. Other people in my office have done it, but usually people higher up. I don't really have much leverage if they say no. Not willing to quit even as a bluff.
09-30-2017 , 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by surftheiop
Nytimes has a photo story from PR up today, crazy to see the conditions.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...ane-maria.html
09-30-2017 , 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Chips Ahoy
Why did Trump get so many black male and Hispanic votes?
09-30-2017 , 09:46 PM
Every single person on Puerto Rico could die an agonizing death and awval would come in here sane as always with his non-committal weak ass defenses of Trump.
09-30-2017 , 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Jiggymike
Every single person on Puerto Rico could die an agonizing death and awval would come in here sane as always with his non-committal weak ass defenses of Trump.
No.
09-30-2017 , 09:54 PM
Well, I will give you credit. You have at least put out there a couple concrete conditions that will have you turn on Trump.

1. 300,000 dead Puerto Ricans
2. A $300 tax increase.
09-30-2017 , 09:54 PM
Situation looks really grim for puerto rico.
The mayor is in tears in one of the interviews,there is no water and power and looters starting to roam at night.
If only they were part of a 1st world country with huge means...

Anyway I was wondering how do you guys see the future for this country?
It seems half the country hates the other half to no end,and doesn't really compare to the classic political landscape everyone there was used to.
How do you reconciliate people at this point?
09-30-2017 , 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by awval999
If the National Guard and FEMA of the United States of America does not or cannot air lift water into PR then what the **** are our tax dollars going to?

I can totally understand that you hate Trump bro.

But stop acting like he has any control over Carribean islands' infrastructure. The island got hit by a Cat 5. This isn't Miami with its hurricane codes and large $$$ where the buildings are up to code.

And as I said before, if somehow, hundreds of thousands die because of government ineptitude, I will join you in calling for his head.
It's part of America and it's not the 4th world jerk. They have the highest concentration of Walmarts of any state or territory.

It's way passed where his head should be called for already, but wow at your 6 figure threshold.
09-30-2017 , 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
Well, I will give you credit. You have at least put out there a couple concrete conditions that will have you turn on Trump.

1. 300,000 dead Puerto Ricans
2. A $300 tax increase.
So true.
09-30-2017 , 10:03 PM
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Originally Posted by OmgGlutten!
Why did Trump get so many black male and Hispanic votes?
I think his performance in those areas has been overstated. These are not good numbers:

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank...der-education/

https://decisiondeskhq.com/data-dive...ender-and-age/



09-30-2017 , 10:08 PM
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Originally Posted by awval999
Microbet posted that I wouldn't believe the "fake news" of the "hundreds of thousands" dead.

YOU CANNOT ****ING HIDE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS DEAD
You just lie about it or don't even talk about it. Hundreds of thousands of people have died lots of times and people don't know about it. The figure you're throwing around comes from this thread today when you tried to make a point about how hurricaines never kill that many people and I showed you a cyclone from 1970 that did. And now you're indignant about it! Also, 'Caribbean Island'? That's you putting it in a way that makes the US and Trump less responsible. It's more groundwork for ignoring whatever tragedy occurs. Are you doing this yourself or are you picking it up from Fox?
09-30-2017 , 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted by awval999
No.

How much more do you need to see that Trump never cared about your buddies and that he’s nothing more than a grifter who is incompetent at everything else? How are you so pot committed to this bozo if you fancy yourself a rational, thoughtful human being? (spoiler: you’re probably neither of we’re being honest).
09-30-2017 , 10:14 PM
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Originally Posted by weeeez
Situation looks really grim for puerto rico.
The mayor is in tears in one of the interviews,there is no water and power and looters starting to roam at night.
If only they were part of a 1st world country with huge means...

Anyway I was wondering how do you guys see the future for this country?
It seems half the country hates the other half to no end,and doesn't really compare to the classic political landscape everyone there was used to.
How do you reconciliate people at this point?
I think a lot depends on whether or not Trump is removed from office. If he's impeached or forced out via 25th amendment, the divide will be even greater. Same if/when there's a major terrorist attack and he screams "I told you so!" Because you know he will.

But if the US weathers the storm, Trump will eventually become old news. There's always a cycle of something major going on. It's been Trump for a few years. It was Obama running/winning office in 2007-2008. It was 9/11 back when it happened.

I think there are already signs of the Trump phenomena jumping the shark so to speak. That recent poll last week showed even R's didn't like Trump criticizing NFL players. I think a lot of people are just getting tired of him being front and center every time something happens.
09-30-2017 , 10:20 PM
The 82nd Airborne deployed to Haiti during the earthequake. One brigade is always on "GRF", Global Readiness Force. The idea is that if called upon they can deploy within 18 hours to anywhere in the world. They always have one battalion, 500-600 soldiers, 2 hour recall. The rest of the bridge will be on like 24 hour recall. If need be, they can have 500 soldiers on the ground within 24 hours and many more coming. Generally, we practice jumping in to secure the dz and then prep/clear a runway for planes to land with additional supplies, vehicles, etc. Cooks, medics, anything you can ask for.

This is basically all the 82nd trains for. I spent years on some sort of recall status not being able to travel far from base just in case we got the call. If they want to get soldiers there. They can get them there very quickly.
09-30-2017 , 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
Well, I will give you credit. You have at least put out there a couple concrete conditions that will have you turn on Trump.

1. 300,000 dead Puerto Ricans
2. A $300 tax increase.
Avwal- "If my taxes go up 82 cents a day, there will be hell to pay Mr. President! Oh and if 300,000 people die. That too!"
09-30-2017 , 10:32 PM
Also, if there end up being lots of deaths, the Trump admin/Fox will most definitely spin the hell out of it or cover it up. For example, they will say that the people in the hospital were already dead or something like that.
09-30-2017 , 10:37 PM
I wonder how many Trumpkins wouldn't care if 300,000 Puerto Ricans die? probably more than I would like to know
09-30-2017 , 10:42 PM
I hope this at least puts some attention on the colonial status that Puerto Rico has. It should be either a state or an independent country. Though I suspect it would do pretty poorly as the latter.
09-30-2017 , 10:52 PM
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Originally Posted by awval999
Bro... those are the numbers you said.

You honestly act like Trump is intentially ****ing over the Puerto Rican's.

You and I both know he just said "do whatever you can do. Full support of govt"

Dude is busy golfing in NJ.
I, and many other people, absolutely believe that Trump is - at best - completely indifferent to the plight of Puerto Rico, and probably hostile towards its residents. We believe this because we have listened to the horrible, hateful words that have come out of his corrupt, fat, ignorant orange piehole.
09-30-2017 , 11:09 PM
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Originally Posted by awval999
Come on bro...

Hundreds of thousands dead?

The situation is bad enough without that horrendous exaggeration.
How many brown people have to ****ing die before you'll admit that putting a senile reality TV ******* in the Oval Office was a bad idea? Tens of thousands? 100k? Can we get an order of magnitude?

Lots of people are going to die from his incompetently managed response and you're still yukking it up.
09-30-2017 , 11:11 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
Well, I will give you credit. You have at least put out there a couple concrete conditions that will have you turn on Trump.

1. 300,000 dead Puerto Ricans
2. A $300 tax increase.
Oh, I guess he already gave us an estimate earlier in the thread. Nevermind then.
09-30-2017 , 11:12 PM
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Originally Posted by JPantz
The 82nd Airborne deployed to Haiti during the earthequake. One brigade is always on "GRF", Global Readiness Force. The idea is that if called upon they can deploy within 18 hours to anywhere in the world. They always have one battalion, 500-600 soldiers, 2 hour recall. The rest of the bridge will be on like 24 hour recall. If need be, they can have 500 soldiers on the ground within 24 hours and many more coming. Generally, we practice jumping in to secure the dz and then prep/clear a runway for planes to land with additional supplies, vehicles, etc. Cooks, medics, anything you can ask for.

This is basically all the 82nd trains for. I spent years on some sort of recall status not being able to travel far from base just in case we got the call. If they want to get soldiers there. They can get them there very quickly.
101st can get there quicker. But I think they have like 4 helicopters there right now. So theoretical capabilities don't mean much.

      
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