The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns. - Page 4604 - Politics and Economics

I wouldn't say the Russians will hack the vote because that ain't how it works, but I don't think liberals have fully baked in what happened in 2014 and 2016 vis a vis an entirely baseless right wing story becoming The Only Story. And the right did that while out of power.

I don't know what it'll be, but they aren't just gonna sit there and lose.

08-17-2018 , 05:26 PM

#115077

realDonaldTrump

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08-17-2018 , 05:27 PM

#115078

rugby

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Seriously?????

How the **** has this derail not been moved/banned.

4 ****ing god damn stupid ****ed up **** pages of this ****.

In here for Trump idiocy not boring tax arguments.

08-17-2018 , 05:29 PM

#115079

TheHip41

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Originally Posted by CalledDownLight

We have empirical evidence from France that wealth taxes are bad in that they result in emigration from the wealthy. We don't want our successful entrepreneurs and business people leaving the country and renouncing their citizenship.

Why not just raise the income taxes to fill the gap? I think we need more tax revenue and that substantially all of it should come from people with incomes over $500k (maybe even higher). I simply think it should be an income tax and not a wealth tax. I feel like most people on the side you are arguing are nearly indifferent between the two or even prefer a wealth tax whereas I think a wealth tax is hugely detrimental as it discourages investment and business ownership in comparison to consumption.

Also, any attempt to cap wealth in a formal manner will just result in a system where people decide to either spend/distribute their wealth before hitting that cap or leaving the country. Obviously, not everyone will do one of these two, but it will happen on a net basis.

You are still in the wrong thread. Shut the **** up already.

08-17-2018 , 05:30 PM

#115080

ecriture d'adulte

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Originally Posted by markksman

I don’t know where you get to the level of near criminality? I used to sort of buy in to the idea that the federal government is not the most efficient way to “help people” via wealth distribution but the reality is the top tier of people do a significantly much worse job. It is not even a contest, even when you factor in a few benevolent outliers.

Plus by collecting resources centrally you can more efficiently redistribute them.

You can return tax levels to fifty plus years ago and still allow massive deductions for real charitable donations (political donations should be capped or entirely excised) so then people can have some say in who is helped and how and then the rest is contributed.

Bezos would still be worth 100 billion plus with tax policies from 50 years ago, to first order. And the government already takes in 6 trillion a year. How much do they need to do what you want to do?

08-17-2018 , 05:33 PM

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Matty Lice

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08-17-2018 , 05:40 PM

#115082

kerowo

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Quote:

Originally Posted by CalledDownLight

We can use literal powerball winners here as an example. The reason would be that these people spent their money (and to a lessor degree time) to get a ticket and then got lucky. That luck should be theirs to keep (after the INCOME tax portion).

This is just dumb.

08-17-2018 , 05:41 PM

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ScreaminAsian

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08-17-2018 , 05:46 PM

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Matty Lice

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I love how in random Trump photos with civilians, there are never any minorities unless they are clearly paid actors.

08-17-2018 , 05:50 PM

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Max Cut

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Originally Posted by Matty Lice

literally spit food out of my mouth

08-17-2018 , 06:02 PM

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Some folks call it a sling blade I call it a Kaiser blade...

08-17-2018 , 06:10 PM

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Cliffs: "Made in the USA is BACK, 400k new manufacturing jobs, they said it could never happen"

08-17-2018 , 06:11 PM

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uDevil

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Agent Orange and the Heart of Stupid sounding pretty good as a title for a Trump biopic, imo.

08-17-2018 , 06:16 PM

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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/17/u...irst-lady.html

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Mrs. Trump, a former fashion model who prefers clean, modern lines, had chosen some furniture for the White House residence in the months before she joined her husband in Washington. Yet in her absence, President Trump — whose tastes veer toward the gilded, triumphal style of Louis XIV — replaced her choices with several pieces he liked better. One of two people familiar with the episode cited it as an example of Mr. Trump’s tendency not to relent on even the smallest requests from his wife.

08-17-2018 , 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by FlyWf

I don't think starting from a premise of:
Republicans see how the polls are
Republicans know losing the House let alone Senate is very, very bad
Republicans will do just about anything to keep/consolidate power

Can in any way be wrong.

08-17-2018 , 06:28 PM

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uDevil

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I may have been wrong about Omarosa. She may not have the n-word tape but she does have receipts for miscellaneous other ****.

https://twitter.com/AP_Politics/stat...633244673?s=19

08-17-2018 , 06:29 PM

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realDonaldTrump

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08-17-2018 , 06:37 PM

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GOP fundraiser Broidy under investigation for alleged effort to sell government influence, people familiar with probe say

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The Justice Department is investigating whether longtime Republican fundraiser Elliott Broidy sought to sell his influence with the Trump administration by offering to deliver U.S. government actions for foreign officials in exchange for tens of millions of dollars, according to three people familiar with the probe.

As part of the investigation, prosecutors are scrutinizing a plan that Broidy allegedly developed to try to persuade the Trump government to extradite a Chinese dissident back to his home country, a move sought by Chinese President Xi Jinping, according to two of the people.

Standard.

"Fundraiser" used to mean that you shook down a bunch of rich friends for donations and gave the candidate a whopping $100k in bundles.

Thanks to the Supreme Court and its strong concern for (ironically) "free speech", combined with the staggering corruption of the GOP*, "fundraiser" is starting to be along the lines of giving $30M with a really firm wink and a nod. (I beleive, these days, the SCt requires a notarized contract promising an explicit quid pro quo for there to be liability for political corruption). Citizens United was bad, but McDonnell v. United States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonn..._United_States is worse.

*Trump got into politics to exploit an already-evolved niche. He's not innovative; he just has a higher tolerance for corruption and risk than "ordinary" criminals.

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08-17-2018 , 06:41 PM

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What is it about the GOP that makes them so in love with the idea of kidnapping foreign dissidents back to their home countries?

Actually, I think I know the answer.

08-17-2018 , 06:45 PM

#115095

ScreaminAsian

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08-17-2018 , 07:12 PM

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08-17-2018 , 07:33 PM

#115097

MrWookie

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Quote:

Originally Posted by simplicitus

GOP fundraiser Broidy under investigation for alleged effort to sell government influence, people familiar with probe say

Standard.

"Fundraiser" used to mean that you shook down a bunch of rich friends for donations and gave the candidate a whopping $100k in bundles.

Thanks to the Supreme Court and its strong concern for (ironically) "free speech", combined with the staggering corruption of the GOP*, "fundraiser" is starting to be along the lines of giving $30M with a really firm wink and a nod. (I beleive, these days, the SCt requires a notarized contract promising an explicit quid pro quo for there to be liability for political corruption). Citizens United was bad, but McDonnell v. United States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonn..._United_States is worse.

*Trump got into politics to exploit an already-evolved niche. He's not innovative; he just has a higher tolerance for corruption and risk than "ordinary" criminals.

Huh, I wonder if this guy had a lawyer who liked to make extensive documentation of criminal activity and who may have been raided by the feds recently?

08-17-2018 , 07:42 PM

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CheckRaise

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CDL definitely searches 2p2 for Elizabeth Warren on the reg and jumps in to bash her and argue with people who like her positions

08-17-2018 , 08:20 PM

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What’s going on with Rand and Rusher? Do they have dirt on him or are they paying him? I know the Paul klan are simple creatures so I’d go with money I guess.

08-17-2018 , 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by goofyballer

Dream world: Cuomo's gaffe + ensuing flip-flop help liberals on the fence realize he sucks and makes them vote for Nixon
Real world: #Resistance liberals turn garbage target of Trump's attacks into hero, equate support for Nixon to support for Trump

I mean, yeah I don't love Cuomo's middle of the road centrist governing style but if there's one thing the last 2 years have taught me it's that I'm never ever voting for somebody for higher public office who's only experience is "television star." If Cynthia Nixon wanted to start off like Cortez did as a congress critter or a local rep and work her way up that would be a different story. I feel like there are a lot of Dems like me in NY which is why Cuomo is crushing in the polls right now despite being otherwise underwhelming.

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