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08-16-2018 , 04:04 AM
Couple of anecdotes culled from omarosa’s book I cane across earlier. Thought I would share them just because. Saw her on the Daily Show a couple of days ago and her weird excuses for why she knowingly worshipped Trump for decades was nonsense.

I have admitted before I have a long history of being curious about Trump so I knew much more about him than most before his election run. This means I also ended up in the Omarosa backwash as well. She is not a good person and she very much has worshipped trump because she knows that she has the same ethical compass. That being said I actually give a decent amount of credibility to many of the things she has talked about recently.

I actually assume if it was up to Trump she would not have been fired, and she would have never quit. She ended up being a trading piece in some deal between Trump and Kelly. So nothing Omarosa is doing is to clean a guilty conscious, is strictly revenge and she would have likely been the last one to get off the Trump train.

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Page 44: "Candidate Gene Simmons of KISS, a close friend of Donald’s, was the most disgusting misogynist I had ever met.... During one long break, Donald asked Gene, 'What do you think of Ivanka? How’s she doing?' What followed was a vile exchange, right in front of Ivanka, with Gene Simmons talking about her in a room full of people. While leering openly at her breasts, he said, 'She’s a very, very sexy, desirable young woman who I’m looking forward to getting to know much better if you know what I mean, with all due respect.' Her father egged him on."


11. Anyone in the core White House staff has quick and easy access to powerful prescription drugs.
Page 242: "Throughout my time in the White House, as a part of a little known program called the executive medical program, the cabinet and all [top-ranking assistants to the president] could get a prescription for any ailment. They would give out anything, right from the bottle, no prescription needed. Say your back was hurting. You’d go in and complain, and walk out with a month’s supply of powerful pain medication."
08-16-2018 , 05:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Matty Lice
A new CNN poll shows Democrats with an 11-point edge on the generic ballot, a margin that, if history is any guide, promises major gains for the minority party. By comparison, Republicans held a 49%-43% edge on the generic ballot in the final CNN poll before the 2010 election, before the party picked up more than 60 seats that year. In the final CNN poll before the 2006 election -- where Democrats netted 30 seats -- the party had a 15-point generic ballot edge.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/15/polit...sis/index.html
I actually was quite worried by that same CNN poll, thanks to this line:

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Despite Democrats' advantage on that measure, a plurality (48%) in the same poll believe Republicans will maintain control of Congress after the election, compared with 40% who believe Democrats will gain control.
Some of you may recall that in the aftermath of the 2016 election, pollsters discovered that, "Who do you think your neighbor is voting for?" was a more valuable poll question than "Who are you voting for?" because people would lie about their Trump votes, but would have no problem saying they thought their neighbors would vote for Trump... and since a lot of people think their neighbors think like them, this turns into an accurate polling method.

This seems sort of similar. Obviously there could be some Democrats who are being honest because they understand gerrymandering and voter suppression, but we're in such a minority of Americans that think about that kind of stuff and analyze it, so I find this polling result VERY unsettling.
08-16-2018 , 05:12 AM
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Originally Posted by DVaut1
In fairness to the WaPo, they did an admirable job of trying to inform their readers:







This is about the best you can expect: "well, we interview the lady, she says her husband is disrespecting her beloved boss, but uhh FYI this is probably all bull****, we might want to check these peoples' personal histories of being completely full of **** and manipulating the media." So the WaPo is kind of trying to be informative.

...but all the other click baity headlines on all the news aggregator type things are like "Conway marriage on the rocks due to Kellyanne Conway's fierce devotion to Trump", I mean lol, yeah OK.
Yeah, I was about to comment about that theory that they're plotting to keep one foot in each DC circle. I think that's what it is, to be honest. I think the Conways stay up late at night planning ways for George to be in the establishment conservative circles and Kellyanne to be doing the Trump thing, then they fall asleep snickering about their genius. Then George relays info back to Kellyanne, while "rage" tweeting about 45. Kellyanne pretends to be having marital problems with George, while carrying water for the Trump administration.

Meanwhile who the **** knows what either of them actually thinks about the political issues of our time, or Trump, or any other candidate? They're dyed in the wool true believers when it comes to the political issues they truly care about: money, power, tax cuts for the rich, access, and the next opportunity to get more of the aforementioned things.
08-16-2018 , 05:27 AM
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Originally Posted by markksman
This means I also ended up in the Omarosa backwash as well. She is not a good person and she very much has worshipped trump because she knows that she has the same ethical compass. That being said I actually give a decent amount of credibility to many of the things she has talked about recently.
I never watched The Apprentice, and knew nothing of her but her name going into her arc in politics. But, read my last post about the Conways and apply it to her. She doesn't worship Trump and she never worshipped Trump for real. She would heap adulation on him in public to get what she wanted. She may have the same ethical compass as Trump, but she wasn't offering all of her admiration because she thinks they're kindred spirits. She was doing it to get what she wanted: money, power (that could be turned back into money), fame (that could be turned back into money), access (that could be turned back into money), etc...

She worships those things, not Trump... and Trump is just so easy to manipulate, anyone who can get their quotes in print or a soundbyte on Fox News knows that all they have to do is worship Trump and then try to get a job in the White House.

I mean, ****, if Democrats were smart they'd have paid a Democratic analyst on TV to make a heel turn in early 2017, worship Trump for a few months, then arrange a meeting with him to get a job in the administration... at which point they'd surreptitiously tape everything, and when the time was right, leak like a sieve and then destroy his presidency from the inside out.

As for Omarosa's credibility, it's all just whatever to me. This is probably the best chance in her life to make millions and I doubt she has any moral problem lying, so she'll do whatever will make her the most money. If she actually has the goods without lying, that's her play. If she doesn't, she'll make up whatever will sell the most books.

Once she has sold all the books she can sell, don't be surprised if she turns back the other way and starts praising Trump again and gives Hannity or Cuomo some long, emotional interview about how she's seen the light, Trump's being treated unfairly, etc, etc... Because once she sells as many books as she can, her best chance to capitalize off of all of this is in TV punditry... and nobody is going to hire her to argue the liberal side.
08-16-2018 , 06:57 AM
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Originally Posted by aarono2690
6 point edge for (R) = 60 seats

15 point edge for (D) = 30 seats

If I put my testicles on a cement block can someone please slam a sledgehammer into them and put me out of my misery? Sweet game of politics we got here where somehow a minority of the voting population is always able to get the best of the majority.
Gerrymandering has certainly worsened since then and increased this disparity. Plus fraud.
08-16-2018 , 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by microbet
You have a lot of faith in billionaires. I think he'd retire and live off a diet of newborn baby souls before giving up his money and his bathrooms.
Yea, as far as I'm concerned, billionaires are hoarders. They just hoard money rather than the stuff the poors hoard on that TV show. No one on this planet needs more than a billion dollars. I get it, capitalism is king in this world, but it's an illness once you have that much money. Look at the Koch Bros. They are virtually on death's door and they happily spend $100 million to screw over the rest of society because *gasp* God forbid they pay a death tax.
08-16-2018 , 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by cuserounder
I actually was quite worried by that same CNN poll, thanks to this line:



Some of you may recall that in the aftermath of the 2016 election, pollsters discovered that, "Who do you think your neighbor is voting for?" was a more valuable poll question than "Who are you voting for?" because people would lie about their Trump votes, but would have no problem saying they thought their neighbors would vote for Trump... and since a lot of people think their neighbors think like them, this turns into an accurate polling method.

This seems sort of similar. Obviously there could be some Democrats who are being honest because they understand gerrymandering and voter suppression, but we're in such a minority of Americans that think about that kind of stuff and analyze it, so I find this polling result VERY unsettling.
This election cycle is different though. The world is burning and voter turnout among young voters is expected to be higher than in previous elections.
08-16-2018 , 08:44 AM

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08-16-2018 , 08:45 AM
And yet wages are still stagnant. **** off.
08-16-2018 , 08:51 AM

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08-16-2018 , 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Matty Lice
Yea, as far as I'm concerned, billionaires are hoarders. They just hoard money rather than the stuff the poors hoard on that TV show. No one on this planet needs more than a billion dollars. I get it, capitalism is king in this world, but it's an illness once you have that much money. Look at the Koch Bros. They are virtually on death's door and they happily spend $100 million to screw over the rest of society because *gasp* God forbid they pay a death tax.
How about Bill Gates? The guy donates tons of money to charity, probably more than his current net worth. It's just really hard to spend it all when you have that much.
08-16-2018 , 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by realDonaldTrump

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In my more overly optimistic moments it is always a happy thought that this **** will be laid low because the media will do what it does best and that's fan the flames when this nest of ****s begin to eat each other.
08-16-2018 , 09:10 AM
08-16-2018 , 09:11 AM
Just a reminder but I believe Trump’s undergraduate degree is in economics.

Still not sure why Penn has been burned to the ground.
08-16-2018 , 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by markksman
Couple of anecdotes culled from omarosa’s book I cane across earlier.
I 100% believe everything she said about Gene Simmons. Guy's never not been a scumbag. Watch a couple episodes of his "reality" show for confirmation. Even Fox News ****canned him and sent him to perma band camp

*and even Billo's security badge will at least get him in the front door still
08-16-2018 , 09:24 AM
Related to the billionaire discussion something that I read recently: (paraphrasing)

„Most people have no concept of how different a million from a billion is. A million seconds is 11.5 days. A billion seconds is 31.7 years.“
08-16-2018 , 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Matty Lice
Why would Trump be worried about the n word tape? His base loves that. I think there's a better chance he's worried about being caught saying something derogatory about Marlee Matlin. Especially if it's something sexist and also about her hearing loss.
**** his base. Why are we trying to erode his base? We're trying to energize the ~50% of the country that didn't vote.
08-16-2018 , 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Matty Lice
This seems a little disingenuous. 2014 had an incumbent Democrat; the primary was a foregone conclusion. Not surprising at all to me that Democrats would have the higher percentage increase in turnout.
08-16-2018 , 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by bigt2k4
How about Bill Gates? The guy donates tons of money to charity, probably more than his current net worth. It's just really hard to spend it all when you have that much.
He's certainly spent billions of dollars on propaganda to rehabilitate his image, as seen by you insinuating that he is donating his money to charity. Dude is probably one of the most evil people in the last few decades. Citations needed podcast had a great 2 parter on gates:

https://soundcloud.com/citationsneed...-western-media
https://soundcloud.com/citationsneed...ates-in-africa

Book by Dr. Linsey J. McGoey (guest on the podcast):
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00SPV9X9K...ng=UTF8&btkr=1

From a top 500 review of that book:
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One of the immutable rules of the universe is that nothing ever turns out the way it first seems. So with philanthropies, according to Linsey McGoey in No Such Thing As A Free Gift. The super-rich are out to benefit themselves and their companies, blaming government for failing to address issues, while criticizing them for spending anything on those issues (and not giving them and their firms enough breaks). McGoey uses the whipping boy of The Gates Foundation, which has its own agenda, and outspends governments and in some instances the UN. Its influence is enormous, but its strategy leaves the field cold. Bill Gates’ “obsession” with polio has meant poor attention given to more immediate needs, such as HIV. Some call this obsession the biggest obstacle to lower priced HIV treatment in the world: “The Gates Foundation just leaves chaos. Not only is it changing the ideology of public health – it is deinstitutionalizing public health.” The same feelings are expressed in education, where Gates has run rampant and unchecked.

The charges against Gates boil down to a spoiled brat spending to please himself. Programs and purchases are made to benefit Microsoft and Coca-Cola, which the foundation stands to inherit from board member Warren Buffet. Its grants are made to US firms, three times more often than to local ones, on the ground where the need is both better understood and immediate. Much like government aid that must be used to purchase US goods and be shipped by US transport, The Gates Foundation benefits Americans more than Africans or Asians.

McGoey says Gates follows the footsteps of Andrew Carnegie, the great philanthropist who famously had Pinkertons shoot his employees for striking. He cut their already miserable wages by two thirds, at a time when his company enjoyed a tripling of revenues, all so he could continue to perform his munificent philanthropy. He built libraries, in his own name, all over the country. Today, all kinds of new billionaires take up highly targeted pet causes, with little regard for overall impact, goals or co-ordination, in exchange for massive tax relief. This steals from government revenues while enriching favored suppliers, cronies and politicians. We call this efficiency, and the rich congratulate themselves over it at conferences like Davos. In their minds, they are performing far better than government could. Meanwhile, education and healthcare workers strive to undo the mess they create and leave behind when they get restless.
And hey don't forget about the $575 Million the foundation spent on teacher evaluation and teaching reform!

Last edited by Nonfiction; 08-16-2018 at 09:47 AM. Reason: tl;dr they are all ****ing evil
08-16-2018 , 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Nonfiction
He's certainly spent billions of dollars on propaganda to rehabilitate his image, as seen by you somehow promoting him as a "good" billionaire. Dude is one of the most evil people in the last few decades.

https://soundcloud.com/citationsneed...-western-media

https://soundcloud.com/citationsneed...ates-in-africa

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00SPV9X9K...ng=UTF8&btkr=1
Fair or not, my hate for gates will never be diminished, even if he gives away 95% of his stolen riches.
08-16-2018 , 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by eyebooger
This seems a little disingenuous. 2014 had an incumbent Democrat; the primary was a foregone conclusion. Not surprising at all to me that Democrats would have the higher percentage increase in turnout.
'14 wasn't a presidential election year though

ETA and even discounting for historical enthusiasm of the oppo party 2 years after a presidential election, 204% increase is pretty big in terms of sheer enthusiasm
08-16-2018 , 09:59 AM
That attempted takedown of the Gates Foundation is not at all convincing.
08-16-2018 , 10:00 AM

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08-16-2018 , 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Namath12
'14 wasn't a presidential election year though

ETA and even discounting for historical enthusiasm of the oppo party 2 years after a presidential election, 204% increase is pretty big in terms of sheer enthusiasm
Neither is 2018.

What am I missing?
08-16-2018 , 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by eyebooger
Neither is 2018.

What am I missing?
I thought "the primary was a foregone conclusion" was referencing a presidential primary

      
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