We also figured out why Gates' attorneys quit, he lied during a proffer and probably told them he intended to continue with the lie.


(A "proffer" is when someone who is considering snitching tells the state what they would testify to if called by the state against another defendant)

This assumes good faith discussion. Since that won’t happen it is absolutely a distraction from where we should be focused if we actually want to address the issue. There are plenty of clear as day obvious reasons that arming teachers is ****ing insane and won’t solve anything without litigating this one guy’s level of commitment to his job. It will not be the tipping point for the argument.

I had this experience today, not for the first time:

Gun owner: “The second amendment blah blah blah...founding fathers...”

Later on same gun owner: “you can kill people with a hammer. A gun is just a tool like a tire iron. No different. Depends on the user...blah blah blah”

Me: Then why isn’t there anything in the constitution protecting other tools? Are guns different or not?

Gun owner “ It doesn’t actually say “gun” in the second amendment. Chessmate.

So no, getting into a discussion about the specific cop in this case serves as.an out and a distraction for the disingenuous far better than a data point for logic.

This is correct and is also why it was so important that the Dem won the Virginia AG race this past November. That was probably the most important election that night.

30% is way too high. If he cooperates, he gets murdered. But something a lot of the idiot wingnuts advocating for pardons to own the libs don't seem to get is that unless the Parkland kids take office before 2018, we're a country full of miserable people where you can get a gun for $150 even if you are absolutely bananas.

The breakdown of norms that would result from Trump pardoning Manafort hugely increases the chance someone takes their hashtag resistance to actual resistance.

I feel bad for the SRO, but this is wrong. AS soft target scenarios and responses were revamped after Columbine. All police officers are now trained to run in as soon as possible (it used to be they were supposed to wait for swat). This is for a number of reasons and there is data to back up why it is the better play. It engages the shooter which stops him from killing civilians while he's engaged. It might cause the shooter to retreat. It might save lives that are about to expire and in desperate need of medical attention, etc. I'm not going to demonize the guy for freezing up under pressure, but he did not do what he was trained to do.

These NK sanctions are making me ill. What a dumb idea at a time when the North and South are opening up talks.

https://twitter.com/christinawilkie/...43488532942855

I don't think anyone is saying tougher security wouldn't help things. What is being said is that giving guns and a modicum of training to more school teachers than there are active duty police officers isn't viable and takes away from the real conversation that should be had about reducing the number of guns in the country.

The response of the deputy highlights the absurdity of the position. If a trained professional can fail to perform their duties in this situation there is no expectation that you could train up some teachers to be more effective.

They must first prove themselves by shooting an unarmed black teenager.

Republicans should be furious about this - the RNC is taking their donations, money people worked hard for and gave with the intention of helping to elect Republicans, and literally handing it to Donald Trump and for some reason Mike Pence's nephew.

But they're all dumb Trump slappies so no1currs.

trump supporters like awval will point out that trump is a super rich guy who doesn't even take a salary and that's the end of that. he's obviously volunteering because he has such a kind heart and patriotic love for the country

For clarification you are saying Gates lied right?

honorable mention

CNN saying Coral Springs Police sources tell them that three more deputies were on the campus but hid behind their cars with guns drawn during the shooting. That's enough for me to dispense with this notion of a good guy with a gun....etc.

Correction: They were allegedly at the campus, and didn't go inside. Not totally clear if it was during or after shooting.

Nepotism always overrides fiscal responsibility.

The question was how he dies. Has to be >5% chance he cooperates and is let out of prison before he dies!

Oh, interesting! See, I think he's a heavy favorite to not be murdered even if he cooperates. But you could be right; those crazy Russians don't mess around!

Nah, they just equate campaign contributions with charity contributions with cash payments. It's all the same. Yeah, they are taking money, but did you hear about the Clinton Foundation?

lol Manafort



https://twitter.com/girlsreallyrule/...81296899379200

You are incorrect. Again, I'm not attacking the cop for freezing under pressure, but that is not what they are trained to do post Columbine.



Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colu...Police_tactics

Enjoy club fed, Paul

Poor guy.

So four armed, on duty, officers at the school. Wonder how many they would need to do anything.

Pretty clear we should replace police officers with teachers.

the teachers love their students tho, so your argument is bruce willised

https://twitter.com/RightWingWatch/s...03370279432192

Two top White House advisers may leave over tensions with Trump: sources

Longstanding friction between U.S. President Donald Trump and two top aides, the National Security Adviser and the Chief of Staff, has grown to a point that either or both might quit soon, four senior administration officials said.

Both H.R. McMaster and John Kelly are military men considered by U.S. political observers as moderating influences on the president by imposing a routine on the White House. They have also convinced Trump of the importance of international alliances, particularly NATO, which he has criticized as not equally sharing its burdens with the United States.