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10-17-2018 , 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by SirOsis
I really think Don Jr is getting indicted in November, is there somewhere putting out odds on stuff like that?


Predictit maybe? I might take action depending on odds. Even if Mueller has the goods you’d need Lynn Z. Graham’s DOJ to actually file charges. There’s a chance NY gets him but I doubt they have a case built by November
10-17-2018 , 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by grizy
I find it stupid people think Trump cares at all about Saudi purchase of American weapons.



Trump just wants MBS to overpay for more overpriced Trump condos and hotel rooms.


Correct. It’s all about his wallet
10-17-2018 , 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by grizy
I find it stupid people think Trump cares at all about Saudi purchase of American weapons.

Trump just wants MBS to overpay for more overpriced Trump condos and hotel rooms.
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Correct. It’s all about his wallet
Yes and no. Does Trump give a **** like personally about the Saudi purchase of American weapons? Probably not.

The Saudis probably want their weapons, though, and so presumably Trump needs to satisfy the Saudis and get them their weapons and so he cares about the weapons deals, perhaps deeply.

Why am I on about this? You might guess wrong about how this plays out wherein the Senate or whoever try to hold up the arms deals and then Trump gets very interested, which you might not predict if you blithely assume Trump doesn't personally care about weapons deals, which sure, he probably hasn't the foggiest idea about any of the details other than to sell his hotels he needs to get MBS what he wants.

All the pre-emptive **** emanating from Trump about the weapons deals seems like pretty implicit, really not that subtle, communication to potentially uppity Senators not to get out of line. I realize this is a bit pedantic but there's you know, "caring" about the weapons deals in that Trump surely doesn't care one iota about foreign policy or munitions or what Saudi plans to do to Yemen with those weapons but he cares deeply about satisfying his counter-parties so he can make his money. And his partners, the Saudis, probably want those ****ing weapons so Trump is going to care, which is why he's prattling on about it.
10-17-2018 , 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
FL-02 (Dunn's seat) is rated "Safe R" with a voter index of R+18

Trump could be using his voice to amplify close races instead of copying and pasting the same text over and over again for candidates that do not matter (yesterday he endorsed an R in a CA race that doesn't have a D opponent!), kinda undercuts the whole "he's really smart and playing 5D chess" thing, really wish AWice was here to explain this one to us
This seems like obvious stats padding so he can brag afterwards about how the candidates he endorsed crushed it.

It's also maybe possible that candidates in close races in less deplorable areas aren't asking for Trump endorsements.
10-17-2018 , 07:11 PM
Trump would want Saudis to buy weapons from the US probably due to some vague sense of 100 billion coming to US means opportunities for him to grift some money.
10-17-2018 , 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by miller62
This seems like obvious stats padding so he can brag afterwards about how the candidates he endorsed crushed it.
Someone gets trump I see.
10-17-2018 , 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
I will never understand how you could be a college educated woman who just recently decided Trump maybe wasn't such a good deal for you. I get that some are just brainwashed and there's nothing you can do. But how could you possibly be on the fence about this?

Some college-educated women graduated from Liberty University and Bob Jones University.


Hm, I guess they come around eventually. Like, after their parents force them into conversion therapy.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/local...3f0_story.html
10-17-2018 , 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by SirOsis
I really think Don Jr is getting indicted in November, is there somewhere putting out odds on stuff like that?
"Will a federal charge against Donald Trump, Jr. be confirmed by year-end 2018?" is at 19% on Predictit.
10-17-2018 , 10:01 PM
Sorry wrong thread, but I hope Klobuchar runs. I hope she stays low-profile for x more months and then I hope she runs. I don't know that much about her except that she somehow has a super high approval rating in Minnesota, which seems impressive, because afaik Minnesota is politically a vibrant shade of Viking purple. She also seems more midwestern than Rice Krispie Treats at the county fair tornado drill and imo would have an easier time scooping up potential Biden voters than pre-2020 post-taxidermy Joe Biden would. Yes she's a centrist which I realize is a philosophical bummer to many of us, but it also seems reasonable to point out that we are living in an obscene hideous nightmare that is by my count two or three signs of the apocalypse away from the end of the book, and so at this point baby steps seems somewhat better than baby hands. Also if we are going to run an electability candidate then let it at least be a woman; there are many reasons for that but imo one tactical reason is that there are a bunch of Trump voters who aren't super comfy seeing themselves as the kind of folks ushering in the horsefacing of america and would like nothing more than to unburden themselves of some cognitive dissonance by voting for a girl---just as long as she's not Hillary, which Warren clearly is, and Gillibrand and Kamala probably are too. Yes I understand that Klobuchar (KLOH-buh-sharr) needs a pronunciation parenthetical and that many see her as more vice presidential and that few see her as some historical pioneer striding among us, but **** that, because I dunno, because people often rise to the occasion and because cornhole is actually fun and because I got her at 2% on the betting site place so cmon everybody let's make some calls

Last edited by Empire Man; 10-17-2018 at 10:07 PM.
10-17-2018 , 10:04 PM

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10-17-2018 , 10:18 PM
I am in MN. Klobucher is boring corporate dem establishment. Cosponser of a "government warrentless spying on you is A-OK" bill. Big pass on president. VP probably fine.
10-17-2018 , 10:25 PM
Also Klobuchar voted for Mike ****ing Pompeo as CIA director. Hell no.
10-17-2018 , 10:30 PM
Saudis wired 100 million yesterday to us. Hmmm what could that be for I wonder.
10-17-2018 , 11:24 PM
Wrestlemania tickets?
10-17-2018 , 11:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Grue
I am in MN. Klobucher is boring corporate dem establishment. Cosponser of a "government warrentless spying on you is A-OK" bill. Big pass on president. VP probably fine.
The politician from Minnesota that would have made a great POTUS ****ed up and fake groped a woman as a prank.
10-17-2018 , 11:40 PM
Paul Wellstone did no such thing!
10-17-2018 , 11:56 PM
https://twitter.com/RepMattGaetz/sta...29557826736129
10-18-2018 , 12:44 AM
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Originally Posted by corvette24
The politician from Minnesota that would have made a great POTUS ****ed up and fake groped a woman as a prank.
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10-18-2018 , 01:36 AM
Vox: study shows Obama -> Trump voters were driven by racism, not economic anxiety

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First, attitudes on race and immigration were crucial distinguishing characteristics of both Trump and Clinton switchers. The more racially conservative an Obama or third party voter was, the more likely they were to switch to Trump. Similarly, the more racially liberal a Romney or third-party voter was, the more likely they were to switch to Clinton.

Second, class was largely irrelevant in switching to Trump. Keeping racial attitudes constant, white working-class voters were not more likely to switch to Trump. The white working-class voters who did switch tended to score about as highly on measures of racial conservatism and anti-immigrant attitudes as wealthier switchers.
10-18-2018 , 02:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Empire Man
Yes she's a centrist which I realize is a philosophical bummer to many of us, but it also seems reasonable to point out that we are living in an obscene hideous nightmare that is by my count two or three signs of the apocalypse away from the end of the book, and so at this point baby steps seems somewhat better than baby hands.
The problem with running a moderate isn't that they won't push for single payer or $15/hr. The problem is that they won't push for PR & DC statehood, to stop voter suppression/gerrymandering or fight fire with fire on judicial nominees.

In other words, we'll take a few baby steps forward but we'll still get totally wiped out during the next Republican presidency, and that time there may be no coming back.

Let me put it this way: the next time the Democrats take the Senate could very well be the last time the Democrats take the Senate if they don't enact an agenda to level the playing field in terms of voting rights and structural disadvantages. So the Democrats' number one priority the next time they take the Senate should be to make sure they have a chance to win the Senate in future elections. Obviously they need the White House and House to execute that strategy, but it's hard to imagine a landscape in which they hold the Senate but not the other two.

If you think someone like Klobuchar or another moderate will be aggressive enough to push for that agenda, then fine, but I don't think that's the case... and while we're on the topic, I don't see any reason to consider her more electable than most other potential Democratic candidates.
10-18-2018 , 04:16 AM
2% is value, should probably be at like 8%. I'd be perfectly happy with her. She's much better than a ham sandwich, which is infinitely better than Trump. Warren is my lady because I care about policy and toughness and believe she's the top candidate on both. However, I'm past the point of arguing over small differences and would be fine with any dem in the field or a cat with a monocle. The perfect is the enemy of the good.
10-18-2018 , 04:27 AM
By the way where is Rudy? I haven’t seen him in forever, although I’m not looking.
10-18-2018 , 04:32 AM
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Originally Posted by simplicitus
2% is value, should probably be at like 8%. I'd be perfectly happy with her. She's much better than a ham sandwich, which is infinitely better than Trump. Warren is my lady because I care about policy and toughness and believe she's the top candidate on both. However, I'm past the point of arguing over small differences and would be fine with any dem in the field or a cat with a monocle. The perfect is the enemy of the good.
I think 8% is really high. I don't see a path to victory for Klobuchar in a primary that at all resembles the one I think we'll get. In terms of the quality of the field, the personalities of the field, the fundraising of the field and the timeline early on. She will struggle to get free media over more outspoken/charismatic candidates. She will likely struggle to contend in fundraising. She has very little chance in Iowa (name recognition), New Hampshire (Bernie and Warren's backyard) or South Carolina (determined heavily by minority voters). I have no real reason to think Nevada sets up well for her either. There's also no part of the base that she's in line to make her own in my opinion.

I think if she runs it's mainly to boost her profile as a potential VP pick. If a man wins the nomination, they'd be foolish not to pick one of Warren, Harris, Gillibrand or Klobuchar as VP in the midst of the Me Too movement. The other three offer zero home state electoral value, so she has that going for her.

I pretty much agree with the rest of your post though. Warren and Harris are probably my two favorite candidates right now. But as long as we don't nominate HRC again, I'll be knocking on doors for the candidate - they are all massive upgrades.
10-18-2018 , 05:21 AM

https://twitter.com/SenKamalaHarris/...91689074954240
10-18-2018 , 05:29 AM
I'm not sure whether this has been discussed but it seems that the CNN poll for Dem Pres candidate that had Biden with 33% of the vote was exclusively white people > 45. I wonder why.

      
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