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07-09-2018 , 11:59 AM
From Kellyanne Conway to Stephen Miller, Trump’s advisers face taunts from hecklers around D.C.

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One night, after Miller ordered $80 of takeout sushi from a restaurant near his apartment, a bartender followed him into the street and shouted, “Stephen!” When Miller turned around, the bartender raised both middle fingers and cursed at him, according to an account Miller has shared with White House colleagues.

Outraged, Miller threw the sushi away, he later told his colleagues.
Take THAT, libs.
07-09-2018 , 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by SenorKeeed
Be nice to have some evidence for it.
07-09-2018 , 12:04 PM
Buying two dinners to pwn the libs
07-09-2018 , 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by alazo1985
Keed,
NATO’s lack of meeting goals is t what’s driving our defense spending so high. Our defense spending is bloated because we gotta keep ordering tanks to make sure the tank factory economy in town X doesn’t disappear so that representative doesn’t get voted out, and national defense, etc etc. We buy way more than we need to and are incredibly wasteful because of systemic inefficiency and waste, regardless of how much NATO spends. The real issue is Trump is trying to come up with reasons to undermine NATO and weaken it, not to actually convince them to spend more.
Of course Germany's low defense spending has nothing to do with USA#1's high defense spending. And I'm all for cutting US defense spending and spending that money on something useful or not spending that money at all.

I'm simply saying that the narrative of "Trump is trying to get NATO countries to spend more on defense because PUTIN" is insane, as it ignores two important things. 1) Putin doesn't want higher defense spending by NATO members. 2) Trump is simply continuing the position of Obama, W, Clinton, etc of calling for Euro NATO members to meet the 2% metric. It's an issue with bipartisan agreement and has been for decades.

Lets say that Trump came out saying, hey, you know what, it's fine you aren't making that 2% number. Big deal, that's fine, everyone's friends here. Hey, go down to 0.5% if you want. You can be sure that MSNBC would be all over that saying that Trump was going against decades of established US policy to benefit Putin.
07-09-2018 , 12:22 PM
It's so cool that Glenn and Keed are here to protect the unprotected(Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin) and speak truth to power(the 2 or 3 dumbest people who appear on MSNBC once a week).

Noble work you do.

(the incredible thing with all of this **** is that for some completely baffling reason GG and his faction of contrarians has someone accepted as a premise that Donald Trump, the head of the executive, is an OPPONENT of the United States government.)


It is time to seriously consider whether Glenn Greenwald dimed out Reality Winner to the FBI for lack of loyalty to Daddy.
07-09-2018 , 12:27 PM
Right, every attack on Donald Trump is good and under no circumstances should such an attack be criticized. No matter how dumb and nonsensical it is. Doesn't matter if it's true, just that it attacks Trump.
07-09-2018 , 12:32 PM
2p2 echo chamber can’t handle keed’s bold independent truth-telling contrarianism.
07-09-2018 , 12:37 PM
Lettuce further engage Keeeeeeeed he's nanoseconds away from getting it I just know it
07-09-2018 , 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by SenorKeeed
Right, every attack on Donald Trump is good and under no circumstances should such an attack be criticized. No matter how dumb and nonsensical it is. Doesn't matter if it's true, just that it attacks Trump.
Trump started off by calling NATO obsolete. It seems naive to believe he made a genuine 180 and is now sincerely looking to strengthen the alliance to weaken Russia. I think the best case scenario is that he's just trying to publicly undermine people he finds annoying(Merkel, Macron, Trudeau).

With Trump, it seems like a perpetual game of is he evil or is he just dumb. Even if you are the best whisperer the politics forum has to offer, it's not really something to be proud of.
07-09-2018 , 12:40 PM
I forgot about all those Tweets Obama would send at the asscrack of dawn screaming at the EU to better fund NATO.
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Originally Posted by lenC
Trump started off by calling NATO obsolete. It seems naive to believe he made a genuine 180 and is now sincerely looking to strengthen the alliance to weaken Russia.
"Naive" is being very generous.
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I think the best case scenario is that he's just trying to publicly undermine people he finds annoying(Merkel, Macron, Trudeau).
Why would you ever think that? It's not as if we have years worth of evidence that that's exactly what Trump does or anything. No no, this is of course just him doing exactly what Obama did, as he so often does.
07-09-2018 , 12:43 PM
Can someone walk me through why Greenwald is bad again, assuming it's more than not criticising enough Republicans?
07-09-2018 , 12:45 PM
Reality Winner 100% told on herself. She almost couldn’t have made it easier for the government to catch her if she wanted.
07-09-2018 , 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by All-In Flynn
Can someone walk me through why Greenwald is bad again, assuming it's more than not criticising enough Republicans?
has criticised a lot of mainstream Russiagate coverage as hysterical and jumping to conclusions based on little evidence. you can read his brief outline of his opinions on the subject here. he has stated this opinion on outlets including RT and Fox News. this makes him a traitorous kremlin stooge, obviously.

there is also an idea that he is generally insufficiently critical of trump - another brief overview of his some of his trump articles

to be fair, he spends more time than he should arguing with trolls, and seems to have dug his heels in over his russiagate skepticism to the point where he seems obstinate and contrarian for the sake of it.

but i think most of us would be driven slightly crazy having to deal with stuff like this from mainstream press figures for the last year:

tl;dr - greenwald is not bad.

edit: Another good, detailed deconstruction of what he is and isn't saying about the hacking, the election, and liberal scapegoating of Russia in general

Last edited by Kafja; 07-09-2018 at 01:16 PM.
07-09-2018 , 01:04 PM

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...67395294908421
07-09-2018 , 01:05 PM
Donald Trump, champion of poor mothers. I don't even

Also I'm pretty sure nobody in USA #1 is denied access to formula

Betting the formula cartel is on the Mike Cohen bribe list
07-09-2018 , 01:07 PM
So now if you support breast feeding you're also in favor of denying formula to mothers. (Also Parscale wrote that)
07-09-2018 , 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Kafja
has criticised a lot of mainstream Russiagate coverage as hysterical and jumping to conclusions based on little evidence. you can read his brief outline of his opinions on the subject here. he has stated this opinion on outlets including RT and Fox News. this makes him a traitorous kremlin stooge, obviously.

there is also an idea that he is generally insufficiently critical of trump - another brief overview of his some of his trump articles

to be fair, he spends more time than he should arguing with trolls, and seems to have dug his heels in over his russiagate skepticism to the point where he seems obstinate and contrarian for the sake of it.

but i think most of us would be driven slightly crazy having to deal with stuff like this from mainstream press figures for the last year:

tl;dr - greenwald is not bad.

edit: Another good, detailed deconstruction of what he is and isn't saying about the hacking, the election, and liberal scapegoating of Russia in general
your first link is broken for me.

Also this speech on Trump's election is excellent:

07-09-2018 , 01:09 PM

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...68503723577344
07-09-2018 , 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by realDonaldTrump

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...67395294908421
**** you, filthy liar.
07-09-2018 , 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by lenC
Trump started off by calling NATO obsolete. It seems naive to believe he made a genuine 180 and is now sincerely looking to strengthen the alliance to weaken Russia. I think the best case scenario is that he's just trying to publicly undermine people he finds annoying(Merkel, Macron, Trudeau).



With Trump, it seems like a perpetual game of is he evil or is he just dumb. Even if you are the best whisperer the politics forum has to offer, it's not really something to be proud of.


That’s not the game

He’s 100% dumb
07-09-2018 , 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by All-In Flynn
Can someone walk me through why Greenwald is bad again, assuming it's more than not criticising enough Republicans?
Because he is ridiculously hyperbolic, constantly arguing in bath faith, and adds little of substance. And note I used to religiously read his columns back in salon days and thought he was the second coming of chomsky at the time. Now I think he is a cheap hack who you would be better off just ignoring.

Take the most recent piece. Yes, he was stupidly trolled by nance calling him a traitor. And MSNBC is awful generally and awful specifically in this case for not sanctioning nance in some way. He absolutely should respond. But then when you read the response he layers on his narrative so ridiculously thickly smeared it is rendered utterly unreadable.
07-09-2018 , 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by SenorKeeed
your first link is broken for me.

Also this speech on Trump's election is excellent:

oops, fixed now
07-09-2018 , 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by realDonaldTrump

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...68503723577344
Imagine Obama threatening companies because they raised their prices.
07-09-2018 , 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by uke_master
Because he is ridiculously hyperbolic, constantly arguing in bath faith, and adds little of substance. And note I used to religiously read his columns back in salon days and thought he was the second coming of chomsky at the time. Now I think he is a cheap hack who you would be better off just ignoring.

Take the most recent piece. Yes, he was stupidly trolled by nance calling him a traitor. And MSNBC is awful generally and awful specifically in this case for not sanctioning nance in some way. He absolutely should respond. But then when you read the response he layers on his narrative so ridiculously thickly smeared it is rendered utterly unreadable.
That has always been his style. I mean you read his Salon stuff? Remember how he'd do like Update I through Update VIII for his posts? He's always been like that.

But aside from tone policing, what kind of bad faith arguments does he make? Anything in the most recent article?
07-09-2018 , 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by All-In Flynn
Can someone walk me through why Greenwald is bad again, assuming it's more than not criticising enough Republicans?
He pulled an Assange.

      
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