Chris Hayes "Why Is This Happening?" podcast with Ezra Klein.
https://art19.com/shows/why-is-this-...th-chris-hayes

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This is correct. Obama played extremely nice and this is what it got him with the average Republican voter:

Less sleep, more billables for associates? Judge Wood has indicated she's not playing around with scheduling, which is not unusual. She wants to get this privilege review stuff over with, after which Cohen will likely be indicted.

https://twitter.com/bradheath/status...14007944843270

Politically, I don't think the means are "hard to defend." The GOP has gotten virtually no blowback for what it's doing and I'd take the over on 90% of Americans believing that the Dems take the House if they win 50.1% of the vote.

Morally, it comes down to what is more morally justifiable:

A) Turn the other cheek and take a great risk of sinking into one-party rule, which means family separations, disenfranchised minorities, racist, sexist and classist policies with no recourse, the end of Medicaid and Medicare, the end of food stamps as we know them, the end of CHIP, and on and on... leading to the US becoming a sham democracy like Putin's Russia.

B) Disenfranchising groups based on the likelihood they vote for the GOP in order to prevent A and try to create a C that is fair and just.

All fighting dirty will do is entrench both sides even more and piss off people in the middle that really dont pay attention to politics. The GOP is the minority party in the US but they come out in droves to vote. The way to combat this is to get more people to vote. And playing dirty is not the way to do it. The only reason Dems lose elections is because people dont vote. Every single person should be getting 5 people to sign up and vote. Especially younger people.

Why not both?

But I do agree that the average citizen should focus on getting every millennial they know to vote in midterms. I will be bugging every US millennial I know - and because of my job that's a decent #. I will demand to see I Voted buttons/stickers and I will bug them to bug their friends for buttons/stickers as well.

If millennials voted at what - anything close to the rate of Boomers - this country would be a relative utopia.

The man is literally a top billed core ****ing member of the Intellectual Dark Web lol, how on earth are you so emotionally invested in defending his honor and reputation from attacks he WOULD NOT REGARD AS INSULTS?

And, in fact, you don't even really seem to disagree with, because of course you immediately lept into a full throated IDW-approved view that race science is INCONTROVERTIBLY TRUE and the left wing view is that it's not polite to mention how black people are dumb, which Harris pushes back from while still remaining comfortably on the left:

Keeping in mind you did this in a thread where I had already mocked Harris fans for being mislead by their ****ty godking into misunderstanding the academic consensus and the critics of Murray. Never imagine you people get to look down on Catholics for foolishly believing in the divine infallibility of the pope, at least the Pope has a cool hat. Harris just has a ****ing podcast.

If you took this one step further and asked "why don't people vote" you'd understand that "playing dirty" is the only ****ing way they ever will. Act like you give a ****.

This isn't really true, is it? They won the popular vote in both presidential and Senate elections but didn't win. That is the point.

And people in the middle need to be more pissed off, IMO.

Dear Sam Harris posters: please continue here

Good thread by Yglesias on exactly this

You don't need many iterations here. Even one would be enough in certain cases. As bobman pointed out, Mcconnell can act with impunity because he knows there is ~0% chance the Democrats will retaliate. Even retaliating once changes that calculation. Maybe not enough to alter the end choice in all cases, but it could in some.

I would quibble with this along the same lines. The GOP isn't going to take an action that erodes their power and fighting back could change the calculation at least in fringe cases.

But to your larger point -- agreed, even if fighting back doesn't work very well from a prisoner's dilemma standpoint, it's still a no-brainer from a simple contest of power standpoint.

Has Yglesias ever had a bad take? Dude is at the absolute top of my list of twitter follows in that I will read and take to heart everything he posts.

Hey I apologize for making everyone sit through the Sam Harris **** but it does wrap around to this post and being relevant to the present day.

NARCISSISM?!?!?!

What the **** is wrong with you. Charles Murray burned a ****ing cross and still can't get called racist even in the ****ing context of why he keeps writing books about how black people are innately dumb, there's this insane PRO BONO PR thing where you inexplicably accept the premise that he's some bold iconoclast and the worst you're willing to do is call him a gadfly for it.

As suzzer's anecdotes show, right wingers are willing to not just invent malicious intentions for liberals, they are willing to invent entirely imaginary ACTIONS for those liberals, but you're over here literally writing Charles Murray fan fiction.

Charles Murray is a deeply committed white supremacist. That's why he does that "research"(he does not actual research lol he's not a ****ing scientist). Stop ****ing conceding everything!

I dont give a ****? Lol **** off. Voting is a numbers game. It's that simple. Go ask the average person that doesnt really pay attention to politics about Trump or Clinton and theyll roll their eyes at you. The biggest problem in this thread is people like you assume everyone knows about and follows politics the same way you do. Most Americans cant even tell you who their mayor is. You never hear people on the right saying we need to vote. Ever. It's always coming from the left. Theres a reason for that. It's because Dems know they have the numbers on their side when more people vote. But your solution is to fight dirty lol. Cool story bro.

He actually had a ton of bad takes, he was actually one of the OG Slatepitch guys, but a combination of Trump's victory and his desire to be invited on Chapo Trap House has radicalized him into probably the best pundit in America.

Yeah, those people in the middle were so pissed off when McConnell stole a supreme court seat they... elected Donald Trump.

Come on, man. With this logic, you'll be in here 20 years from now when Republicans hold an insurmountable advantage in the house because of gerrymandering, wondering why Democrats don't just outvote the Republicans by enough to win.

You absolutely don't seem like you give a **** if your takeway from "we should pack the court" is "Oh no but what about the NORMS?!?!?!". When you're invested in an actual struggle for actual stakes you don't give a **** about being seen as playing dirty, you care about ****ing winning.

So your strategy is to literally do what we've already been doing that has lead to a massive, top to bottom failure? So yeah, you don't give a **** about anything but your own self-image as Mommy's Good Boy. **** that.

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More people didnt vote. Every adult should be voting. The people in the middle aren't pissed off because they aren't paying attention. They follow politics like a week before the general election once every 4 years. Remember that dude at the debate that still wasnt sure whom to vote for? Everyone ITT was like WTF how do you not know yet? But it's common for a lot of Americans not to pay attention.

Lol what the hell are you even talking about? Calm down.

Yeah, man, you don't care. I rest my case.

Right wing doesn't give a single **** about civility rules norms etc so you're ****ing stupid for playing a game they're willing to cheat and you want to win by playing fair.

Like complaining poker players aren't nice enough to Chris Ferguson or Ray Bitar. **** man

Incidentally, I'm old enough to remember last week, when the Republicans were going to vote on two immigration bills.