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The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns. The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns.

04-21-2018 , 11:01 PM
Man I just watched FreeDumb by Jim Jeffries. Dude was spot on with what would happen if Trump won. America is the laughingstock of the world.
04-21-2018 , 11:36 PM

https://twitter.com/misslaneym/statu...141598209?s=19
04-21-2018 , 11:54 PM
Man, **** that picture and anyone that supports it willingly. She had no problem insinuating Obama was a dumb n@gger from Kenya when it was in her interest to do so.

Stop making people associated w/ the orange turd seem reasonable because his views are so abhorrent.
04-22-2018 , 12:03 AM
"I know Hitler hated Jews, but let me introduce you to 2 guys that didn't hate them as much as Hitler did; Joseph Goebbels and Hermann Goring."
04-22-2018 , 12:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Matty Lice
Man, **** that picture and anyone that supports it willingly. She had no problem insinuating Obama was a dumb n@gger from Kenya when it was in her interest to do so.

Stop making people associated w/ the orange turd seem reasonable because his views are so abhorrent.

this guy
04-22-2018 , 12:19 AM
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Originally Posted by OmgGlutten!
What is Trump worried Cohen will flip on him over?
The most amazing part is the obvious guilt in all of Trump's reactions. He openly discusses people flipping on him or leaking info against him, or snooping/surveillance, or witnessing, etc. etc. Innocent people don't have those types of concerns for the most part. And he can't help himself but behave this way. A smart criminal will at least act innocent, either by showing restraint and keeping quiet when the situation calls for it, or by defending themselves in a way that mimics normality.

Not Trump though. His tremendous ego and impulsiveness turn many of his public statements basically into admissions of guilt. "I obstructed justice to stop the Russia probe" or "I don't pay federal income taxes because I'm smart" or "Tell Putin how I gave you classified intel in the Oval Office", or telling witnesses not to talk (implying there's something damning to talk about), or demanding people don't flip (implying there's damning info to flip over), and so much more.

As far as what he's afraid of, you name it. Cohen's been Trump's "attorney" for 10 years. Just think of it this way: Trump gets away with everything and has no criminal record. God only knows what kinds of things have been done over that decade. Campaign finance violations must be a bare minimum compared to the threats, bribes, extortion, and whatever else Cohen knows and has done. Judging by the way Trump cheats to get what he wants, I'd say everything possible short of murder or violent crimes, and many multiple counts of each. That's just a guess on my part though, with no knowledge of specifics aside from what's been publicly alluded.
04-22-2018 , 12:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Matty Lice
Man, **** that picture and anyone that supports it willingly. She had no problem insinuating Obama was a dumb n@gger from Kenya when it was in her interest to do so.

Stop making people associated w/ the orange turd seem reasonable because his views are so abhorrent.
I support it because my man Obama is cucking Trump big time. **** Melania of course.
04-22-2018 , 01:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Matty Lice
She had no problem insinuating Obama was a dumb n@gger from Kenya when it was in her interest to do so.
When did she do that?
04-22-2018 , 01:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Praetor1an
When did she do that?
Here she is doing it on tv

https://m.youtube.com/watch?ebc=ANyP...&v=sSTx1ZODEcQ
04-22-2018 , 02:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Matty Lice
Man, **** that picture and anyone that supports it willingly.
Eh. She's clearly a POS right just due to the choices she's made in the past 15 years, but the whole "she looks happy for the first time in 2 years, in a picture with BHO" look is pretty decent for team non-deplorable.
04-22-2018 , 02:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Matty Lice
Man, **** that picture and anyone that supports it willingly. She had no problem insinuating Obama was a dumb n@gger from Kenya when it was in her interest to do so.

Stop making people associated w/ the orange turd seem reasonable because his views are so abhorrent.
I think it's perfectly reasonable to like the picture because it will trigger Trump and simultaneously think that Melania is a ****ty person.

Best case is that GOATbama orchestrated the whole thing as an elaborate troll.
04-22-2018 , 02:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Matty Lice
Man I just watched FreeDumb by Jim Jeffries. Dude was spot on with what would happen if Trump won. America is the laughingstock of the world.
I just watched it again a couple of nights ago. Some of his best work, and definitely spot on.
04-22-2018 , 02:19 AM
Very interesting episode of Slate's The Gist, where Adam Davidson, an investigative reporter from the New Yorker, says that there are many other shoes to drop on Trump, with the Cohen raid is the beginning of the end. http://pca.st/h6TF

As I've said before, when you've got a whole lot to hide best not run for an office where you will be the most scrutinized person in the world.

One thing Davison notes, as a tease, is that he expects a lot more sex scandals to drop, given the way rich old men in shady countries tend to do deals.

Also, just want to make a plug for Trump, Inc. wnycstudios.org/shows/trumpinc
04-22-2018 , 03:06 AM
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Originally Posted by simplicitus
Very interesting episode of Slate's The Gist, where Adam Davidson, an investigative reporter from the New Yorker, says that there are many other shoes to drop on Trump, with the Cohen raid is the beginning of the end. http://pca.st/h6TF

As I've said before, when you've got a whole lot to hide best not run for an office where you will be the most scrutinized person in the world.

One thing Davison notes, as a tease, is that he expects a lot more sex scandals to drop, given the way rich old men in shady countries tend to do deals.

Also, just want to make a plug for Trump, Inc. wnycstudios.org/shows/trumpinc
I find it astonishing how much olds like Trumpublicans underestimate the information age in which we're living. They expect to get away with so much, and often do -- for a little while. Then they are genuinely surprised when their misdeeds are discovered. While regular Rs are deplorable in general, Trump is an overwhelming exception. I can't even begin to imagine the vast number of secrets (his own & of others) contained in his head. No wonder he can't govern and has memory/truth problems. Keeping track of everything must be more than a full time job for him.
04-22-2018 , 08:37 AM
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...30312088260608
04-22-2018 , 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
The attorney would not be breaking the law. But if the information did not fall under the crime-fraud exception, the attorney would be violating his or her ethical obligations, and would be subject to disciplinary action, including disbarment, I suppose, if the conduct were egregious enough. If the information did not fall under the crime fraud exception, I highly doubt that it would be admissible. Lawyers can’t waive the AC privilege. Only the client can do that.
In a criminal context:

(This isn't a researched opinion or anything so I could be any magnitude of wrong... but this is would be my pre-research analysis I'd use to direct my more detailed research. I've done any number of criminal appeals but have never come across this issue)

The statement by the attorney isn't admissible. However, the state of the law suggests that the state could use that statement to find other evidence to build a case because the fruit of the poisonous tree doctrine wouldn't apply because it isn't a case of government misconduct.

Unlike say, if the statement was tortured out of a defendant. Any evidence the state found as a result of that statement would also be inadmissible.

More interesting is if the government induces an attorney to violate the privilege. That would be illegal, and I'd assume the client would have standing to challenge this as if it were state misconduct rather than just the lawyer violating privilege. Where this could get weird is the issue of whether there was inducement:

a) Cohen gets the fear and just starts spewing privileged information even though the feds bent over backwards to avoid obtaining privileged information

vs

b) The feds make it clear without saying it that if Cohen doesn't cough up privileged information he's going to do life in the Colorado supermax rather than eighteen months in tennis prison.

The feds seem to be aiming at (a) and taking extreme measures to avoid privileged information, but down the line some defense attorney is going to allege some version of (b) in a motion to suppress and muddy the factual waters.

Also: If the Feds were to willfully violate the Trump/Cohen privilege, I don't think that can be used by a third party to exclude any evidence against them because they would lack standing. So people other than Trump could be SOL.
04-22-2018 , 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Melkerson
I think it's perfectly reasonable to like the picture because it will trigger Trump and simultaneously think that Melania is a ****ty person.

Best case is that GOATbama orchestrated the whole thing as an elaborate troll.
I could see Michelle and Barack joking that if Melania brought up the suggestion of a hate ****, Barack should go ahead and take one for the team because lol.

Of course, it would backfire as I suspect this would be the ultimate masturbation fantasy of the white male deplorable set... I'd be afraid Trump would be behind it because this happening is the only way he'd ever be able to achieve an erection.

Or I'm I taking this too far?
04-22-2018 , 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by eyebooger
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...30312088260608
Next up GOP opens investigation into Jimmy Carter.
04-22-2018 , 09:07 AM
Kellyanne on CNN right now

Interviewer: has the president done anything illegal he is worried about Cohen flipping on?

Kellyanne: your asking me about 12 years of documents I can't know about.

Not once does she say "of course he didn't do anything wrong"

Lololllolololollll. Amazing.
04-22-2018 , 09:14 AM
Kellyanne is so terrible in interviews. It's unreal.

She gets asked about her husband's Tweets and then goes on tangent acting like she was asked about thier anal pegging games.

"How dare you ask about his tweets. Now we have really crossed a line in politics." -Kellyanne

That's the line!
04-22-2018 , 09:19 AM
lol @methhead conway

Melania would have all kinds of opportunity if she divorced Donald Trump.
04-22-2018 , 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by eyebooger
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...30312088260608
lol
04-22-2018 , 09:30 AM
I take the "Good luck with that request!" to mean Donald tried and failed. Of course, one of the absolute foundations of the Pres/DOJ relationship is that the Pres. should not be recommending people for criminal prosecution. Is the Don so far gone that he can't process and retain that?
04-22-2018 , 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by simplicitus
I take the "Good luck with that request!" to mean Donald tried and failed. Of course, one of the absolute foundations of the Pres/DOJ relationship is that the Pres. should not be recommending people for criminal prosecution. Is the Don so far gone that he can't process and retain that?
I would snap bet my net worth Trump could not define Seperation of Powers. I would be my life he doesn't know it is encoded in the Constitution.
04-22-2018 , 09:39 AM
Odds Trump has ever read the Constitution? 10,000:1?

      
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