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The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns. The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: No smocking guns.

02-18-2018 , 07:16 AM
Oh and they are sexist btw and hate women.

http://news.gallup.com/poll/141341/p...thers-gop.aspx

02-18-2018 , 07:36 AM
Im really confused what point you are trying to make.

Is it really, most republicans arent racist because they said they would vote for a black president or a woman in a survey?
02-18-2018 , 07:39 AM
He chessmated you and you don't even know.
02-18-2018 , 08:13 AM
lol
02-18-2018 , 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by aflametotheground
Immigration is good for your bottom line and that makes me wrong. Is it fun to make up random crap that doesnt make sense? If you are talking about GDP then thats just a very general thing you can calculate that doesnt necessarily have an impact on peoples lives. What matters to people is real wages and well being measures; Immigration suppresses real wages which further suppresses peoples experience of well being and for these reasons (among others) it also causes political instability.
Tell us about these other reasons why immigration causes political instability.
02-18-2018 , 08:22 AM
I don't see how anyone can deny based on this information that one time, back in 2010, there was a woman Republicans liked.
02-18-2018 , 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Pwn_Master
Our worst human is President. I consider him worse than murderers in prison at this point.
With all due respect, this sort of hyperbole is very unhelpful and obfuscates important facts.

Trump is probably not much better or worse as a human being than a huge chunk of American males of his age, who, given half a chance, would probably try to enact the same sort of **** with the same range of prejudices that he is.

Trump is unfortunately a type of American Everyman of this age.
02-18-2018 , 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by jalfrezi
With all due respect, this sort of hyperbole is very unhelpful and obfuscates important facts.

Trump is probably not much better or worse as a human being than a huge chunk of American males of his age, who, given half a chance, would probably try to enact the same sort of **** with the same range of prejudices that he is.

Trump is unfortunately a type of American Everyman of this age.


This is actually false

If you picked a random person from 45-70 and said

You are president

Near all of them would figure out how to do the job and work tirelessly and not just try to pass laws that make themselves money

They would hire competent people with a history in politics

So no. Trump is a piece of **** and no one would be doing what he’s doing.
02-18-2018 , 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by jalfrezi
Tell us about these other reasons why immigration causes political instability.
Because people in the US, UK and other places experience fear of rapid demographic changes in their neighbourhoods. Alot of people experience this as quite intense. In the UK this drives people into far right wing parties and in the US it creates an environment where donald trump and radical republicans are elected.

Also in the US, UK and probably other places the white working class experience relative deprivation because they perceive themselves as pushed to the margin of society while immigrants have climbed to take their place. Feelings of relative deprivation creates immense anger in people, for example in the middle east this is very important factor recruiting terrorists.
02-18-2018 , 08:44 AM

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...02556204003328
02-18-2018 , 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by TheHip41
This is actually false

If you picked a random person from 45-70 and said

You are president

Near all of them would figure out how to do the job and work tirelessly and not just try to pass laws that make themselves money

They would hire competent people with a history in politics

So no. Trump is a piece of **** and no one would be doing what he’s doing.
No wall against illegal immigrants from Mexico? No blanket ban on Muslim immigration? No turning a blind eye to racist attacks? No blaming Obama for everything?
02-18-2018 , 08:46 AM
The election happened more than 15 months ago.


https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...05208191168512
02-18-2018 , 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by aflametotheground
Because people in the US, UK and other places experience fear of rapid demographic changes in their neighbourhoods. Alot of people experience this as quite intense. In the UK this drives people into far right wing parties and in the US it creates an environment where donald trump and radical republicans are elected.

Also in the US, UK and probably other places the white working class experience relative deprivation because they perceive themselves as pushed to the margin of society while immigrants have climbed to take their place. Feelings of relative deprivation creates immense anger in people, for example in the middle east this is very important factor recruiting terrorists.
Cite or ban.

The opposite has been true of the parts of the UK (eg London) with historically and currently high levels of immigration.
02-18-2018 , 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by eyebooger
The election happened more than 15 months ago.
But wasn't he a great candidate?

The campaign was fun for him. Being president sucks. Everyone expects you to work and you only get to play golf like 3-4 times a week tops.
02-18-2018 , 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by jalfrezi
No wall against illegal immigrants from Mexico? No blanket ban on Muslim immigration? No turning a blind eye to racist attacks? No blaming Obama for everything?
Even the average deplorable has some humility. So even if their gut says we can stop Mexicans with a wall, after the third expert explains how ridiculous and impractical that is, they will back off the idea as a public proposal, even if privately they still believe it. Then there is a lot of cynical, corrupt, and unpopular stuff that Donald Trump does, that I don't think a random person or even a random Trump voter would do all of, like giving huge tax cuts to the rich at the expense of Medicare and Social Security, gutting the EPA, repealing net neutrality, etc. What makes Donald Trump the worst person to be President is not just his stupidity and toxic beliefs, but also his total conviction that everything he does is great 100% of the time.
02-18-2018 , 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
I did not realize that I could possibly hate a human being as much as I hate Donald Trump. And that extends to everyone I know who supports him, including family. You willingly let racism blind you and block you from feeling empathy. You’re terrible people. In this were Germany 70 years ago I know you’d enter enthusiastically support Hitler. I hope you rot in hell even though I know it doesn’t exist.
I'm super ****ing petty. My mother in law voted Trump, so I've told her I'm not visiting with her grandchildren until Trump is out of office.
It doesn't make me a very popular person, but honestly **** her for helping put that clown in power well knowing that it would very negatively impact our lives (insured through ACA with a chronic illness preventing me from getting private coverage from ANY provider where we lived.

Say what you will about the NHS, but at least here I get treatment and necessary medication to keep me alive without having to pay through the nose for it.
02-18-2018 , 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by jalfrezi
Cite or ban.

The opposite has been true of the parts of the UK (eg London) with historically and currently high levels of immigration.
Yeah, UKIP had a surge for a tiny while, but are entirely demolished by now and people are flocking to Labour like they haven't in years.
02-18-2018 , 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by aflametotheground
Because people in the US, UK and other places experience fear of rapid demographic changes in their neighbourhoods. Alot of people experience this as quite intense. In the UK this drives people into far right wing parties and in the US it creates an environment where donald trump and radical republicans are elected.

Also in the US, UK and probably other places the white working class experience relative deprivation because they perceive themselves as pushed to the margin of society while immigrants have climbed to take their place. Feelings of relative deprivation creates immense anger in people, for example in the middle east this is very important factor recruiting terrorists.
This is absolutely true. The thing is, though, it is only their perception. When you actually look at the data, you will find that they are not actually being marginalized, but rather think that "others like them" are, in fact, being marginalized (despite it not being the case).

This is not the fault of immigration or immigrants. This is the fault of ****ing idiots who think they're losing the privilege they've had forever, even if it's not actually the case.
02-18-2018 , 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by jalfrezi
Cite or ban.

The opposite has been true of the parts of the UK (eg London) with historically and currently high levels of immigration.
So just like i guessed you werent actually interrested in what i had to say. You see i can smell these things from a miles distance. You want to be combative and you are probably crying a river inside you. I laid out some very solid information and your are jumping on the "cite or ban" line as if i owe you anything. I owe you zero, and thats what you will get.

I dont speak to people whose sole goal is to clog up the discussion, demand sources, call for bans etc. Im not in the business of being dumb, you see.

Equally dumb i could be demanding for a source of your claim regarding london and then call for a ban if you cant provide. Of course im not going to do that because i dont give a damn.

I will throw some info before im done with you. In areas where there are rapid demographic changes people are driven into the far right wing. Where the changes are less rapid, more like an evolution, there is no such thing happening. Its the fear of your social group rapidly becoming a minority that causes the radicalization, its fear of repercussions from a once powerless minority, a change of power relations. So its not as simple as "oh there are many immigrants in this area therefore you are wrong" type of simplicity. But you wouldnt understand anyways.
02-18-2018 , 09:15 AM
God-tier self awareness:


https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...12168449941505
02-18-2018 , 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by eyebooger

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...02556204003328
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“Every time he sees me [Putin], he says, ‘I didn't do that.’ And I really believe that when he tells me that, he means it,” Mr Trump said.
But he definitely didn't say that Russia didn't meddle in the election. Square parenthesis mine.
02-18-2018 , 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by AllTheCheese
Even the average deplorable has some humility. So even if their gut says we can stop Mexicans with a wall, after the third expert explains how ridiculous and impractical that is, they will back off the idea as a public proposal, even if privately they still believe it. Then there is a lot of cynical, corrupt, and unpopular stuff that Donald Trump does, that I don't think a random person or even a random Trump voter would do all of, like giving huge tax cuts to the rich at the expense of Medicare and Social Security, gutting the EPA, repealing net neutrality, etc. What makes Donald Trump the worst person to be President is not just his stupidity and toxic beliefs, but also his total conviction that everything he does is great 100% of the time.
Trump's gut said he can stop Mexicans with a wall but he's been talked out of it so far; tax cuts for the better off is pretty standard right wing fare, as is attacking net neutrality; rewarding mega contracts to yourself was standard practice in the previous GOP regime cf Halliburton, the immorality of which seemed to have passed most Repub voters by.

I'm not seeing huge differences, apart from the narcissism angle.
02-18-2018 , 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by heh
This is absolutely true. The thing is, though, it is only their perception. When you actually look at the data, you will find that they are not actually being marginalized, but rather think that "others like them" are, in fact, being marginalized (despite it not being the case).

This is not the fault of immigration or immigrants. This is the fault of ****ing idiots who think they're losing the privilege they've had forever, even if it's not actually the case.
It could possibly be just perception, but im not so sure. For example there is a increase in mortality rates among white workers in the US for some time now. This is almost unheard of in the modern world from what i understand.

https://hbr.org/2017/06/white-americ...m-1965-to-2005
02-18-2018 , 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by aflametotheground
So just like i guessed you werent actually interrested in what i had to say. You see i can smell these things from a miles distance. You want to be combative and you are probably crying a river inside you. I laid out some very solid information and your are jumping on the "cite or ban" line as if i owe you anything. I owe you zero, and thats what you will get.

I dont speak to people whose sole goal is to clog up the discussion, demand sources, call for bans etc. Im not in the business of being dumb, you see.

Equally dumb i could be demanding for a source of your claim regarding london and then call for a ban if you cant provide. Of course im not going to do that because i dont give a damn.

I will throw some info before im done with you. In areas where there are rapid demographic changes people are driven into the far right wing. Where the changes are less rapid, more like an evolution, there is no such thing happening. Its the fear of your social group rapidly becoming a minority that causes the radicalization, its fear of repercussions from a once powerless minority, a change of power relations. So its not as simple as "oh there are many immigrants in this area therefore you are wrong" type of simplicity. But you wouldnt understand anyways.
Listen, we all agree that the people you are talking about are stupid, there's no reason to keep pounding that point.
02-18-2018 , 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Riverman
awvalllllllllllllllll


I have been summoned.

Must I account for the recent actions of the Stable Genus(TM)?

      
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