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10-13-2017 , 01:04 AM

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Expressing an interest in killing the president, for one.

10-13-2017 , 01:06 AM

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That's not actually illegal, it just warrants an investigation.

10-13-2017 , 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Noodle Wazlib

Expressing an interest in killing the president, for one.

That is a good counterpoint. I don't think it's a good law for the reasons I already stated.

I don't think there are lots of similar laws that criminalize thought though?

10-13-2017 , 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by iron81

That's not actually illegal, it just warrants an investigation.

Interesting. I thought it was illegal also.

10-13-2017 , 01:13 AM

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Now that I have googled it, it is in fact illegal to advocate killing the President.

10-13-2017 , 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by iron81

That's not actually illegal, it just warrants an investigation.

Might be hell to pay when the investigation finds that you belong to the Assassination Club political group that has a history of assassinating people.

10-13-2017 , 01:15 AM

#62132

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Originally Posted by Clovis8

That is a good counterpoint. I don't think it's a good law for the reasons I already stated.

I don't think there are lots of similar laws that criminalize thought though?

Threats are not actions but they are illegal.

Also not protected speech: fighting words

10-13-2017 , 01:20 AM

#62133

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Originally Posted by iron81

Now that I have googled it, it is in fact illegal to advocate killing the President.

Maybe now's a good time to delete your browser history??

10-13-2017 , 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Hired Goons2

Desegregation seems like a mild word there.

Are there any cites on Fly's numerous alleged lies?

There's a good chance the "lies" are insults and hyperbole.

10-13-2017 , 01:21 AM

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Come to think if it, it's illegal to threaten to kill anyone, it's just the President gets protected from threats he didn't hear.

10-13-2017 , 01:21 AM

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Threats are not actions but they are illegal.

Also not protected speech: fighting words

Those do pose a problem to my thesis. They also illustrate why this is such a thorny issue. I'd argue it is because threats impose psychological damage but the obvious counter is nazi propoganda does so tenfold to minorities.

10-13-2017 , 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by microbet

I don't see getting down in the gutter as eroding the foundations of democracy. I see it more like vibrant and passionate disagreement. The erosion of democracy comes when the state does it. You know when that happens because the actual act of suppression is done by the police. As I mentioned in a recent semi-serious response to bobman, I might consider suppression of speech by corporations in a similar light to government suppression. The issue is who has power. Ag-gag laws come to mind. The enforcement requires government, but the line between government and industry can get pretty blurry.

I think this is right. Anything that gets big enough to have power over society or population is going to require oversight. Including government itself.

10-13-2017 , 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by iron81

Now that I have googled it, it is in fact illegal to advocate killing the President.

Now that you have googled it, you are in fact under investigation.

10-13-2017 , 01:26 AM

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This is the problem with absolutism: it doesn’t work in an imperfect world.

10-13-2017 , 01:26 AM

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ergo, punch nazis

let's call it a night

10-13-2017 , 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Max Cut

Might be hell to pay when the investigation finds that you belong to the Assassination Club political group that has a history of assassinating people.

10-13-2017 , 01:33 AM

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Threats are not illegal because of psychological damage. IANAL, but for a threat to someone's life (not counting specific ones to orange bozos) to be illegal it has to be credible. The idea I believe is to prevent a murder.

Someone who worked with me spent a year or so in jail (awaiting a trial that never happened) on a charge of "terrorist threat" for threatening to kill a man (about 25 years old) who beat up his 16 year old cousin. It was an injustice for sure as it was just something said in the heat of the moment and the guy had no weapons - didn't own a gun.

10-13-2017 , 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by iron81

Now that I have googled it, it is in fact illegal to advocate killing the President.

Well if this thread was under the radar before this, it sure as hell isn't now. Hi Feeds!

10-13-2017 , 01:38 AM

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That's two posters who claimed I advocated killing Trump and I have no idea why.

10-13-2017 , 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by iron81

That's two posters who claimed I advocated killing Trump and I have no idea why.

No, just that the secret service has a low bar for drawing interest.

10-13-2017 , 01:48 AM

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Yeah, that's all I meant. I doubt the Trump admin has their act together well enough to monitor a fraction of what the NSA robots pick up. Trump has already threatened to fire a bunch of secret service and use private security. But, out of paranoia I guess I wouldn't even post what iron did in 62176 or quote it to avoid putting those words together.

10-13-2017 , 02:28 AM

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10-13-2017 , 03:20 AM

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10-13-2017 , 03:24 AM

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Lol jk, millennials didn't vote.

These maps are fun and all, but I don't even know how far back we'd need to look to find a map that looks different among "young" people. Where do they all go? Why aren't they voting in bigger numbers in the first place? Why are they disengaged from local politics?

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