LOL I'm not paying attention? You are the one spewing garbage about how someone not speaking is not able to make a living.

I'm just pointing out that you are incorrect.

Great points. This is exactly why the fight fire with fire position advocated by some itt is so corrosive in the long run. Sure it might lead to some short term victory but it will eat out the core of democracy and make it easier and easier for evil to win.

We ban nazi speech, then they ban doctors teaching about abortion so we ban lying about climate change so they ban evolution in schools so we ban misogyny and they ban atheism.

Did I stutter?

Seriously? Nothing you, I, Wookie or 2+2 does on this board is a free speech issue. FFS.

Yes. You are advocating that he no longer has a voice on this board. It won't work and is a stupid thing to say, but just because it won't happen doesn't mean you aren't asking for it.

You are insanely thick.

Clovis' behavior on 2+2 was brought up by you guys in order to argue that his pro-free speech arguments were hypocritical. That is the framework this discussion is taking place within.

I'm not arguing that banning Fly would be a violation of the first amendment or something for ****'s sake.

cite or ban.

I'm guessing no because her and wookie clearly believe that ideas and people they dislike should be silenced but ideas and people they like should be given free reign.

That slope is mighty slippery, and we're back to the begging. Try not to espouse letting nazis talk but not letting Fly talk this time around.

Try doing it quieter.

So your answer is "yes"? I mean I guess it was clear, I just assumed I misunderstood because it's a stupid answer.

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If you can't understand the difference between advocating that individual members of a board stop listening to someone vs. actually preventing that someone from posting, I can't help you.

LOL sure.

Post number 62097.

You said...

"It's probably worse. Imagine living the rest of your days with no one listening to you speak. How would you make a living? How would you buy food or services. it would be a nightmare."

I bolded it for you.

Does that mean you are banned?

Like, holy **** at posting this:

and this:

within 10 minutes. That is almost wil levels of self-ownage.

The power of 'simple inferences' is a thing to behold.

Beats the hell out of logic.

You show me someone who says that, and I'll show you either someone who wants a ban or an anglshooting nit who wants a ban but doesn't want to say so. I am batting 1.000 ITT.

Again it is not giving consideration to their opinions at all, it is defending the universal right to not have opinions crushed and oppressed period, not giving merit to a single one.

That aside, your bigger point is the high road doesn't work. Well I am not sure you are wrong, but if you are going to abandon it and get in the fight in their level you had better be more serious than shutting down some ****ing milk toast trolls dressing up in hitler cosplay and running around with helmets on. That **** is not where the battle is really happening. That is the red cape the bullfighter is getting you to charge at. It's a joke.

Seriously, I know there is a danger of the social center being pulled right when more radical views become "normalized", but this **** was all right here all the whole time. Even when people wouldn't say it where YOU heard it, they were saying it. Just getting them to hush about it is not where the effort needs to go, likely gives them more of a voice and probably wouldn't work anyway. It is exactly what they hope you try.

Ffs wookie and Kero, be the goddamn adults in the room.

So on the one hand you are for unfettered free speech, but on the other hand we gotta moderate ourselves and meet actual neo-nazi content in the middle somewhere lest they (neonazis) come to power and start banning evolution? You are quite simply enabling them, and conflating nazi **** with creationism to boot, not fighting for some idealist version of democracy.

Haha no ****. You gave me a warning for calling a poster a moran last night and Kero is challenging me to "cite or ban" her own posts. You can't make this stuff up.

An alternate scenario: We don't ban nazi (spelled g e n o c i d e) speech, then they ban doctors teaching about abortion. We don't ban lying about climate change and they ban evolution in schools. We don't ban misogyny and they ban atheism.

After Tippi gets banned from Twitter I'll be looking forward to tomorrow's hot takes on how liberals brought this on themselves by being mean to Nazis.

Sure, I don't even disagree with this. But wanting something != advocating for it.

Just because you can reasonably infer that someone who says they want X probably wants Y does not mean X is equivalent to Y.

For like the 7th time, I'm not for unfettered free speech, I'm for unfettered free political speech.

Also, nobody is saying we meet nazis in the middle ffs. I've spent much of my adulthood fighting racism for god's sake. I've marched in rallies, taught courses on race, and donate to the bloody SPLC.

We fight nazis with everything we have.....except censorship. Not because we don't want to censor nazis, in a perfect world, but because censorship is a bomb that always kills the person delivering it as well.

Someone advocating that others should ignore Fly would likely snap at the chance of banning Fly if given the opportunity. Straightforward enough, makes sense. A safer bet than assuming they wouldn't want to see him banned given that information.

I'll give you a gold star for calling wookie on his faux pas...wait, It's against site rules? Sorry, his crime of letting us peak behind the curtain.

This just seems like an axiom.

Wtf? It's not a universal right to have your opinion live on in perpetuity. I want bad opinion crushed and suppressed by good opinion. It's not a case where everyone gets a participation trophy, even the neonazis. It's about opinion and ideas standing on merit, being constructive, and changing or dying when it's deserved. If some opinion is demonstrably gaslighting, and keeps being posted repeatedly, it is totally fair that someone comes and ridicules that opinion every time, even if it's repetitive.