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11-15-2018 , 12:22 PM

#127301

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He was arrested and is out on bail. It was initially reported that the victim was his ex wife, but she released the following as per WaPo:
“Ms. Storie-Avenatti was not subject to any such incident on Tuesday night. Further, she was not at Mr. Avenatti’s apartment on the date that this alleged incident occurred,” Storie-Avenatti’s statement said. “My client states that there has never been domestic violence in her relationship with Michael and that she has never known Michael to be physically violent toward anyone.”

11-15-2018 , 12:25 PM

#127302

Clovis8

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If this is some alt-right prank wohl needs to be ended. He should spend the rest of his life in jail.

11-15-2018 , 12:26 PM

#127303

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Script writers are on their A game. I’m totally hooked on seeing this subplot play out!

11-15-2018 , 12:28 PM

#127304

TrollyWantACracker

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I'm hearing that the accuser is actually Bugs Bunny in drag.

11-15-2018 , 12:31 PM

#127305

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11-15-2018 , 12:32 PM

#127306

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Lol. If someone actually got Avenatti arrested on a hoax they will be getting convicted of something.

11-15-2018 , 12:32 PM

#127307

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I mean it was felony domestic battery or whatever the term CA uses, someone got beaten up or they never file that charge.

11-15-2018 , 12:33 PM

#127308

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Quote:

Originally Posted by alazo1985

So this is possibly an unpopular opinion but in terms of true malicious intent I rate McConnell as worse than Trump. He was cured of polio as a child thanks to Medicaid and now does everything he can to pull the ladder up behind him because “**** you I got mine”. Trump is like a toddler and is so simpleminded that I don’t think he is capable of understanding how much suffering he causes; it’s like if a toddler were allowed to drive and ran someone over you get pissed at the parents more than the toddler.

McConnell isn’t stupid: he is fully aware of how terrible he is and does it anyways. I hope whenever he dies it’s in a grease fire

On a related note, the dollop just did an episode on mccain. I started listening to the podcast after hearing about the trump episode and just being amazed at how awful he was. I'm only about a quarter of the way through the mccain one and so far he comes across as a much worse person than trump. Intentionally using family ties to get things he doesn't deserve, causing tons of destruction, and then of course basically dates and proposes to his second wife while still being married.

11-15-2018 , 12:36 PM

#127309

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Am I late to this?

https://www.motherjones.com/politics...arre-products/

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In November 2014, a Miami Beach-based firm, World Patent Marketing, announced the “marketing launch” of a “MASCULINE TOILET,” which boasted a specially designed bowl to help “well-endowed men” avoid unwanted contact with porcelain or water. “The average male genitalia is between 5″ and 6″,” the firm’s press release said. “However, this invention is designed for those of us who measure longer than that.” In the same release, World Patent Marketing also touted the recent appointment of “Matthew G. Whitaker, former Iowa US Attorney and Republican candidate for United States Senate to the company’s advisory board.”

The griftiest of grifty grifters.

11-15-2018 , 12:37 PM

#127310

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Originally Posted by Namath12

I mean it was felony domestic battery or whatever the term CA uses, someone got beaten up or they never file that charge.

Was a charge filed?

11-15-2018 , 12:38 PM

#127311

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Tbh that toilet sounds great. Poorly designed toilets are everywhere

11-15-2018 , 12:40 PM

#127312

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Originally Posted by microbet

Lol. If someone actually got Avenatti arrested on a hoax they will be getting convicted of something.

I know this Whol kid is an idiot but surely if this was somehow his doing he wouldn't be tweeting taking credit. It's a stupid tweet either way though bc now people are going to think it was a setup regardless even if he was just trying to rub it in that he got arrested.

11-15-2018 , 12:42 PM

#127313

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Originally Posted by alazo1985

Sort of like how Paul Ryan saved up his social security survivor's benefits to help pay for college where he "dreamed of cutting Medicaid".

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Originally Posted by 3fiveofdiamonds

You're grossly underestimating how stupid Jacob Wohl is.

11-15-2018 , 12:50 PM

#127314

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Originally Posted by bware

Tbh that toilet sounds great. Poorly designed toilets are everywhere

this

11-15-2018 , 01:03 PM

#127315

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Posting this for Dvaut and others interested in the nature and history of conservatism, particularly in the US. The second tweet, with readings from the final two weeks, is likely most interesting for those interested in current affairs.

This link includes the second tweet:

https://twitter.com/samuelmoyn/statu...12271306612736

11-15-2018 , 01:14 PM

#127316

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Uh, the target of the investigation isn’t supposed to know if its “inner workings,” no?

11-15-2018 , 01:22 PM

#127317

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Trump is apparently scrambling to find U.S. interests to sell out to Turkey to enlist Turkey's assistance in covering up Saudi Arabia's murder of an American journalist. Finally a President who puts America first.

11-15-2018 , 01:23 PM

#127318

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Originally Posted by dth123451

Gotta be indictment Friday tomorrow, he had been quiet about Mueller for weeks

If Mueller is honestly about to get something like written answers from Trump he will delay indicting anyone big until he has them, knowing that would kill the deal.

11-15-2018 , 01:29 PM

#127319

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Does Mueller need Whitaker's okay to file indictments at this point? Is it possible he's just sitting on them?

11-15-2018 , 02:10 PM

#127320

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Originally Posted by dth123451

Uh, the target of the investigation isn’t supposed to know if its “inner workings,” no?

Well Whitaker's been in the job for like a week right? I haven't heard anything about what he's actually been doing other than maybe he'll get ethics "guidance." I just picture that big, dim bulb sitting at a computer clicking everything labeled "special counsel" (perhaps renaming to "council") and shipping it over to Cheeto bloat throat.

Every day there's an "it doesn't matter" moment. Whenever I hear complaints about Mueller not being Senate confirmed as SC I'm reminded how showing that Mueller specifically ISN'T a principal officer helps illustrate how Whitaker IS one requiring Senate approval, but guess what?

11-15-2018 , 02:13 PM

#127321

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This is a very, very good article from the NY Times Magazine April 2017.

I Thought I Understood the American Right. Trump Proved Me Wrong.

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It is a short leap from advertising and reality TV to darker forms of manipulation. Consider the parallels since the 1970s between conservative activism and the traditional techniques of con men. Direct-mail pioneers like Richard Viguerie created hair-on-fire campaign-fund-raising letters about civilization on the verge of collapse. One 1979 pitch warned that “federal and state legislatures are literally flooded with proposed laws that are aimed at total confiscation of firearms from law-abiding citizens.” Another, from the 1990s, warned that “babies are being harvested and sold on the black market by Planned Parenthood clinics.” Recipients of these alarming missives sent checks to battle phony crises, and what they got in return was very real tax cuts for the rich. Note also the more recent connection between Republican politics and “multilevel marketing” operations like Amway (Trump’s education secretary, Betsy DeVos, is the wife of Amway’s former president and the daughter-in-law of its co-founder); and how easily some of these marketing schemes shade into the promotion of dubious miracle cures (Ben Carson, secretary of housing and urban development, with “glyconutrients”; Mike Huckabee shilling for a “solution kit” to “reverse” diabetes; Trump himself taking on a short-lived nutritional-supplements multilevel marketing scheme in 2009). The dubious grifting of Donald Trump, in short, is a part of the structure of conservative history.

Future historians won’t find all that much of a foundation for Trumpism in the grim essays of William F. Buckley, the scrupulous constitutionalist principles of Barry Goldwater or the bright-eyed optimism of Ronald Reagan. They’ll need instead to study conservative history’s political surrealists and intellectual embarrassments, its con artists and tribunes of white rage. It will not be a pleasant story. But if those historians are to construct new arguments to make sense of Trump, the first step may be to risk being impolite.

11-15-2018 , 02:19 PM

#127322

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Originally Posted by jt217

On a related note, the dollop just did an episode on mccain. I started listening to the podcast after hearing about the trump episode and just being amazed at how awful he was.

If you enjoy the Dollop's more modern ones, the episode on Erik Prince and Blackwater is also a pretty scary and depressing listen.

11-15-2018 , 02:26 PM

#127323

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Originally Posted by otatop

Sort of like how Paul Ryan saved up his social security survivor's benefits to help pay for college where he "dreamed of cutting Medicaid".

You're grossly underestimating how stupid Jacob Wohl is.

right, so Wohl is not even close to smart enough to trick the LAPD into arresting a high profile lawyer on a felony domestic violence charge.

11-15-2018 , 02:32 PM

#127324

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I suspect there's a decent overlap between multi-level marketing and much of Trumpian "conservatism". There's a very interesting new podcast called "The Dream" about MLM.

https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/stitcher/the-dream