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09-21-2018 , 02:05 PM
Mr. Rosenstein then raised the idea of wearing a recording device or “wire,” as he put it, to secretly tape the president when he visited the White House. One participant asked whether Mr. Rosenstein was serious, and he replied animatedly that he was.

If not him, then Mr. McCabe or other F.B.I. officials interviewing with Mr. Trump for the job could perhaps wear a wire or otherwise record the president, Mr. Rosenstein offered. White House officials never checked his phone when he arrived for meetings there, Mr. Rosenstein added, implying it would be easy to secretly record Mr. Trump.
spoiler: they ended up having omarosa do it
09-21-2018 , 02:08 PM
I knew my pony didn't have the giddyup for this one. Trump has to grab this opportunity. Probability of Saturday night massacre is low only because

Spoiler:
today is Friday!

Last edited by uDevil; 09-21-2018 at 02:21 PM. Reason: k
09-21-2018 , 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
Rut-roh:

This is REALLY bad. In anything approaching a normal administration this would dominate headlines for weeks.
09-21-2018 , 02:13 PM
Is it Friday already?
09-21-2018 , 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by pvn
I think he actually may be dumb enough to believe this. Like, it's > 70% that he literally believes the existence of an investigation is, in and of itself, proof that there's bias against him.
I'm not sure if the Rosenstein story that NYT just broke was the reason for the tweet but the timing seems weird. It's gonna send the Trumpmower into orbit either way.
09-21-2018 , 02:21 PM
Like he makes all these accusations that sound completely made-up and then that Rosenstein **** comes out and even some of his critics are gonna be like "wellllll maybe he has a point there!"
09-21-2018 , 02:21 PM
I know we keep getting huge stories, but the assistant AG advocating secretly recording the POTUS in an attempt to remove him from office seems like a pretty big effing deal.

09-21-2018 , 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by tomdemaine
So I'm publicly tweeting about it.
"Also they will impact the midterms more if I wait til October to release them"

They're getting released, the line for that happening has to already be off the boards.
09-21-2018 , 02:24 PM
So Rosenstein wrote that anonymous editorial right?
09-21-2018 , 02:24 PM
Rosenstein story seems awfully fishy. talk about a hand-crafted pretext.

now anonymous source says comment was in fact made, but sarcastically?

this is all so dumb.
09-21-2018 , 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Klingbard
Rosenstein story seems awfully fishy. talk about a hand-crafted pretext.
It also seems pretty odd that the Rosenstein story broke right after the WSJ story about John Dowd trying to divert money for Manafort and Gates.
09-21-2018 , 02:28 PM
Agree that Rosenstein story is fishy as all hell. There's no way that some of those people would actually support getting rid of the guy not only allowing their corruption but taking all the headlines so even if it gets found out the public won't know and they get away with it.

If we suppose it's true, whoever leaked it is obviously a trump supporter or simply wants him fired to move up the ladder, because otherwise you wouldn't have leaked it or he/she's the biggest idiot of all time.

So will trump see this and fire rosenstein over it?

edit--or what sounds ridic but I can't rule it out--someone inside the admin made it up wanting Trump to fire Rose/Mueller and NYT gleefully reported it like the time they reported Trump wasn't under any investigation over those meetings his pals had with Russians when he was in october 2016.

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09-21-2018 , 02:35 PM
Re: Trump, someone really needs to pull the trigger...

Spoiler:
on the 25th


Spoiler:
amendment, not of this month
09-21-2018 , 02:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RunyonAve
So Rosenstein wrote that anonymous editorial right?
Doubtful. And you have to actually read the whole story to realize that he's categorically it because they don't bother putting it anywhere near the headline.


Last edited by Namath12; 09-21-2018 at 02:44 PM.
09-21-2018 , 02:40 PM
Also everyone involved, especially Rosenstein, knows 25th amendment kicks it to congress and they aren’t doing ****, ever.
09-21-2018 , 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by uDevil
If you didn't watch the video microbet linked in the LC thread, I recommend it. The creator is a former philosophy grad student. Manages a serious examination of Peterson while being funny.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LqZdkkBDas
First, lol, the same 5 minute Peterson ad popped up prior to the video.

The video was pretty good. Best parts were explaining the incoherence in that phrase 'postmodern Marxism' and the incoherence of contrasting whatever 'the left' is supposed to believe with Western values. *****, each of these fundamentally conflicting leftish viewpoints are nothing if not Western. They don't really make any sense outside the Western intellectual tradition.

I had a few issues with the video, but there were insightful points and it's a lot deeper than Peterson. I mean psychologists aren't known for their deep thoughts on the history of ideas or postmodernism, and presumably most academics know it's best not to adopt right wing agitprop as an accurate account of truth and civilization. But I'm sure it makes Peterson feel good vs the confused morass of personality psychology (which is apparently his actual speciality).
09-21-2018 , 02:41 PM
Ok the Dowd thing is major. I wonder if anyone will even be talking about it after the POTUS victim shamed a rape victim and his own D-AG apparently wanted him ousted to protect the country from him.
09-21-2018 , 02:42 PM
Rosenstein isn’t even a cabinet member! He couldn’t invoke the 25th under any circumstance.
09-21-2018 , 02:46 PM
So this story was planted by a Trump person to give cover for firing Rosenstein and deflect attention off Kavanaugh, right?
09-21-2018 , 02:46 PM
Could he if Trump fired Sessions? Like in the nanosecond before he himself was fired?
09-21-2018 , 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by champstark
So this story was planted by a Trump person to give cover for firing Rosenstein and deflect attention off Kavanaugh, right?
ldo
09-21-2018 , 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
Rosenstein isn’t even a cabinet member! He couldn’t invoke the 25th under any circumstance.
That and when you think about it you realize it could never happen anyway so it's ridic he said it out loud--then again maybe everyone's dumb in gov't.

Not just the 2/3rds of both houses thing but also the part where Trump can just fire anyone at any time thing. You're not a member of the cabinet anymore so it doesn't count, gjge.
09-21-2018 , 02:48 PM
Lol NYT running this garbage
09-21-2018 , 02:49 PM
Why would the FBI guy being bringing up the 25th to the cabinet too? He's got no way to make them do it as he's not in the cabinet, and all the risk if the President finds out.

I mean maybe he brings it up incidentally, but I can't think he'd be trying to push it behind the scenes, he's got all the risk.
09-21-2018 , 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by champstark
So this story was planted by a Trump person to give cover for firing Rosenstein and deflect attention off Kavanaugh, right?
point one sure, point two seems silly though given Kavanaugh's coming right back on monday.

      
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