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04-16-2018 , 10:02 PM

#94101

JoeC2012

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Originally Posted by AllTheCheese

Keeeeeeed. 2 is the worst season, or maybe slightly better than 5. Putting 2 as the best is basically racist imo.

I'm pretty sure anyone who hates 2 doesn't really get what the show is about.

04-16-2018 , 10:05 PM

#94102

John Candy

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It's difficult for me to rank the first four seasons. I am heartened by the s2 love in the room though

04-16-2018 , 10:07 PM

#94103

SenorKeeed

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04-16-2018 , 10:07 PM

#94104

Max Cut

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Originally Posted by prana

Did I imagine a video of Cohen walking around and sitting down with those people and holding his phone and ****? I don't ask a lot from this forum but if you could link it I would appreciate it.

TIA

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Originally Posted by uDevil

Watch this.

https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/9...815140352?s=19

04-16-2018 , 10:08 PM

#94105

kre8tive

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04-16-2018 , 10:10 PM

#94106

Clovis8

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Not that fox had any pretense of journalism before today but now that we know they ignored, and continue to ignore, this galactic conflict of interest fox and everyone working there should never again use the word journalism.

04-16-2018 , 10:15 PM

#94107

simplicitus

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https://twitter.com/JimCarrey/status/986060988205035520

04-16-2018 , 10:20 PM

#94108

Yuv

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Originally Posted by champstark

agree with the general rewatch moves

2 ages terrifically, 4 ages comparatively poorly

This. Although season 1 is deserves better than Victor's list. Also nothing really compares to first viewing of S4, even if it falls a little behind on the rewatch.

04-16-2018 , 10:22 PM

#94109

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oh man, a post from one of my super-deplorable local city groups I monitor on FB (have posted about it before):

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Fact: the murder rate for illegal immigrants is 10 times higher than those of American citizens. Fact: if a woman dresses a certain way, then she's asking for it and she'll get whatever is coming to her. I'm not afraid to say it, I'm racist. But that's okay because I admit that I'm racist. I think voter registration should be mandatory in all fifty states. If you trespass on my property then I should legally be allowed to shoot you, and nothing you or anyone does can convince me otherwise. Library fines are so small that you can practically ignore them every time. So sue me! I fundamentally believe that abortion should be legal when the life of the mother is threatened, but never in cases of rape and incest. And you know what? Tomatoes are vegetables. I challenge anyone to fight me on this issue. I am positive that tomatoes are vegetables because they are not sweet and you cannot eat them like apples. They might be red like apples but that does not automatically make them a fruit. Science backs me up on that one hundred percent. Eminem is the best rapper of all time. To be honest, everybody needs to stop being so sensitive. I only piss in handicapped parking spots and I believe lesbians mothers cause autism, not vaccines. Also, the holocaust never happened, but I wish that it had because overpopulation is going to kill us all in the long run. I enjoy cheez-wiz. Well, that's the way I am. Everybody is entitled to their opinions. Goodbye.

they're really becoming unwound. and no that post isn't sarcastic or trying to be ironic, the guy's body of work is kind of incredible.

04-16-2018 , 10:26 PM

#94110

Jbrochu

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Come on that guy has to be trolling.

04-16-2018 , 10:30 PM

#94111

Money2Burn

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Originally Posted by simplicitus

Well, the privilege applies to "communications". Cohen doesn't have to be "his lawyer", but the communications have to be related to the giving of legal advice and counsel. Hannity is sorta claiming he asked Cohen for legal advice now and then, which would be enough under some circumstances. It's kind of a Schrodinger's lawyer situation.

Unfortunately, unless Hannity is lying (which is not unlikely), Cohen didn't do an NDA for him to keep someone silent. Then again, Hannity may have gotten Russia/Muller taking points or information from Cohen, which would not be privileged, but Hannity probably gets that straight from Trump and Nunes.

Oh I know, but I thought Hannity was disclaiming any of those types of communications. So by denying he was waiving any claim to privilege.

04-16-2018 , 10:31 PM

#94112

Yuv

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I do agree that anyone who says tomato is a fruit in any gotcha sort of way should be aborted.

04-16-2018 , 10:31 PM

#94113

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Originally Posted by champstark

agree with the general rewatch moves

2 ages terrifically, 4 ages comparatively poorly

2 is help tremendously by the rewatch, because then you have an appreciation for where everything fits in.

When watching it the first time, there is just too much "WTF is the point of this" going through the viewers head.

Not sure how much the writers had planned out in advance, but even if they didn't, they did a good job of making 2 better with what they did in the subsequent seasons.

04-16-2018 , 10:33 PM

#94114

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Originally Posted by Melkerson

2 is help tremendously by the rewatch, because then you have an appreciation for where everything fits in.

Yep.

By the way, one of my favorite subtle moments in the show is in season 5 when one of the homeless guys McNulty interacts with is Johnny Fifty.

04-16-2018 , 10:36 PM

#94115

alazo1985

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That’s gotta be a joke it’s too self aware. People with those beliefs are never self aware (esp the tomato one) CMV

04-16-2018 , 10:40 PM

#94116

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Originally Posted by Clovis8

I mean, Hannity has been slurping Trump & Co for a couple years now nightly and smearing his enemies and he's had not one but two of Trump's attorneys representing him ffs. In any other time and place he'd be finished. Instead this will probably improve his ratings. waaf

04-16-2018 , 10:40 PM

#94117

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Originally Posted by simplicitus

This isn’t accurate. Either Cohen had an AC relationship with Hannity (in which case he was Hannitys lawyer), or he didn’t. If you talk to a random lawyer who isn’t your lawyer about legal stuff, that conversation isn’t privileged.

04-16-2018 , 10:45 PM

#94118

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Originally Posted by Rococo

If you talk to a random lawyer who isn’t your lawyer about legal stuff, that conversation isn’t privileged.

I guess it depends on the definition of an attorney-client relationship?

04-16-2018 , 10:45 PM

#94119

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Originally Posted by FlyWf

Because when dumb people think they are being accused of doing something wrong but they don't really understand what they just deny everything because they figure that's the safest path.

Yep. Fly is clearly someone who has taken a few depositions.

04-16-2018 , 10:46 PM

#94120

alazo1985

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Did anyone else see Peter Stone (the McClatchy journalist that wrote the Cohen Prague story) on Maddow tonight? Dude looked ratty af. Starting to doubt that story

04-16-2018 , 10:49 PM

#94121

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Originally Posted by alazo1985

Did anyone else see Peter Stone (the McClatchy journalist that wrote the Cohen Prague story) on Maddow tonight? Dude looked ratty af. Starting to doubt that story

is that where Steele got it?

04-16-2018 , 10:49 PM

#94122

markksman

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That sketch artist story proves Cohen is Trump’s attorney.

04-16-2018 , 10:50 PM

#94123

Trolly McTrollson

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If nothing else, I'm learning a lot about the law from 2p2 politics.

04-16-2018 , 10:53 PM

#94124

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Originally Posted by DrChesspain

I guess it depends on the definition of an attorney-client relationship?

Sure. And there are various factors that a court would look at when assessing whether the parties intended to create an AC relationship, such as:

Was there any sort of engagement agreement?

Was the there any sort of payment?

Was there any legitimate request for legal advice?

04-16-2018 , 10:59 PM

#94125

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Originally Posted by Matty Lice

Why would Hannity say Cohen never represented him? Is he assuming Trump will pardon him if he committed a crime?

What fly said, but also (and I might be vastly overestimating the integrity of Fox News here) if he admits he was reporting on Cohen without disclosing such an obvious conflict of interest, it's possible that even Fox News would drop him. It may be the safest play for him to claim Cohn was lying --which is actually a plausible theory. At some level Fox does actually want to at least pretend they're running legitimate news programming to appeal to casual/moderate Republicans, and that's tricky when your lead anchors commit flagrant violations of professional ethics.

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