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10-15-2017 , 06:00 PM
Russian trolls were schooled on ‘House of Cards’
“You were given a list of media that you had to monitor and comment on — New York Times, Washington Post,” he added. The trolls were required to look through thousands of comments on the publications’ articles. “It was necessary to look through all this and understand the general trend, what people were writing about, what they are arguing about,” he said. “And then get into the dispute yourself to kindle it, try to rock the boat.”

The trolls were even measured by “how much you got ‘likes.’ The comment was supposed to provoke a discussion.”

The trolls were also instructed to use VPN’s — virtual private networks — for their posts in order to disguise their Russian origin. “If they caught you using a Russian IP address, you’d get a dressing down,” he said.
10-15-2017 , 06:02 PM
Awval just cannot keep his story straight. Did he vote Trump because of his personality? Because of tax cuts? Because of Ohio's factory workers? The justification changes from lost to post.
10-15-2017 , 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by awval999
Sure, I voted for Ron Paul in the 2008/2012 primaries. Because, like this is 2+2 and anarchocapitalism. That's what we did here.
That's what you did here. I came here to laugh at you for it.

And yo, about this dispassionate observer role you keep trying to adopt. You were shedding tears of joy on election night. We remember.
10-15-2017 , 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
Awval just cannot keep his story straight. Did he vote Trump because of his personality? Because of tax cuts? Because of Ohio's factory workers? The justification changes from lost to post.
russian cyberattacks scrambled his brain
10-15-2017 , 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
Awval just cannot keep his story straight. Did he vote Trump because of his personality? Because of tax cuts? Because of Ohio's factory workers? The justification changes from lost to post.
Because it's all of the above.

But like I've said before:

If my hometown doesn't improve, if my taxes aren't lowered, if he plunges our country into another war, then he we won't get my vote for re-election.
10-15-2017 , 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by awval999
Those people, in rural Ohio and Wisconsin and Michigan.... aren't Republican.

They voted for Trump. In spite of his red GOP "R" next to his name.

Look at that Southeastern part of Ohio. It is democratic. Coal mining. Factory towns.

And if/when Trump doesn't deliver back their Midwestern factory jobs. And America isn't made GREAT AGAIN. Then the GOP gains in the Midwest will be given back to the Democrats.

I'm trying to explain this to the vast Atlantic/Pacific coastal posters here (and you too Clovis, you Canadian Mountie).
For one, this has to be corrected for being about perception of changes and not real changes. For another, no way of voting is going to deliver back Midwestern factory jobs. I guess that leads back to my first sentence. Lying about bringing back factory jobs is better than telling the truth. Whoever lies the most about this will win.
10-15-2017 , 06:19 PM
I'm not sure if awval just has Steinbeck's Disease or if America is really so ****ed that their upper middle class is for sale on the promise of forty bucks a week.
10-15-2017 , 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by awval999
Because it's all of the above.

But like I've said before:

If my hometown doesn't improve, if my taxes aren't lowered, if he plunges our country into another war, then he we won't get my vote for re-election.
You've explicitly told us that your taxes are the one and only thing that you base your voting on.
10-15-2017 , 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by awval999
Because it's all of the above.

But like I've said before:

If my hometown doesn't improve, if my taxes aren't lowered, if he plunges our country into another war, then he we won't get my vote for re-election.
You would still vote for a guy who half his own party probably thinks is a crazy incompetent moron. With all the ****ed up **** he has already done. If he gave you a little tax cut and the economy improves.

Then you and the white nationalist are about the same in the end. Its ok for him to ban Muslims from some countries. For a tax cut. Its ok to send back dreamers. For a tax cut. Its ok to accept less refugees and immigrants. For a tax cut. Its ok for him to build his dumb wall. For a tax cut. The only difference in you supporting him and them is you just need to be bought. Almost have more respect for them.
10-15-2017 , 06:32 PM
If Trump plunges us into a new full-scale war it's going to be hard for me to stay in this country.
10-15-2017 , 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by batair
You would still vote for a guy who half his own party probably thinks is a crazy incompetent moron. With all the ****ed up **** he has already done. If he gave you a little tax cut and the economy improves.

Then you and the white nationalist are about the same in the end. Its ok for him to ban Muslims from some countries. For a tax cut. Its ok to send back dreamers. For a tax cut. Its ok to accept less refugees and immigrants. For a tax cut. Its ok for him to build his dumb wall. For a tax cut. The only difference in you supporting him and them is you just need to be bought. Almost have more respect for them.
I thought he only mentioned tax cuts because he figured we'd find that answer more palatable than the lizard brain reasons.
10-15-2017 , 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by bware
You guys are way over thinking this. You aren't going to find logical explanations to Awval, he's just the political equivalent of a random button clicker. Too dumb to realize his own ignorance and unable to think critically about anything. He just voted for daddy because he liked the words that came out of daddy's mouth; whether it was the racist words or the other words doesn't really matter because he's an idiot and not worth discussing.
this. there's nothing to discuss about him. doesn't he base almost his entire political choice on saving ~$500 on taxes? he's just a simpleton and policies outside of tax cuts are too nuanced and detailed for him to consider. there's literally millions of people clicking buttons like him, hence DJT = POTUS. let's move on please
10-15-2017 , 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
If Trump plunges us into a new full-scale war it's going to be hard for me to stay in this country.
Where would you go? There aren't many places you can just up and move to as a US citizen.
10-15-2017 , 07:10 PM
Canada is pretty easy to get into afaik.



How long until trump declares there were good people on both sides of the nazi exterminations?

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Originally Posted by awval999
People do/did like Trump. His lack of political correctness.
Trump is the most politically correct president I can think of. Meaning he and his team of ghouls try to force political correctness on dissenters at every turn. Kneel during the anthem? YOU SHOULD BE FIRED FOR DISRESPECTING TROOPS! Protest at his rally? KNOCK THAT SON OF A ***** OUT!

I don’t recall any other candidates demanding violence for people who don’t toe the political correctness line. Yet any time someone criticizes trump, Bannon or Conway or a host of other monsters comes parading out how unprecedented it is to criticize the worst president this side of the 1900s.
10-15-2017 , 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by zikzak
Where would you go? There aren't many places you can just up and move to as a US citizen.
there's bucket loads of options. Didn't a ton of online pros bounce to Canada/Latin America/Thailand when BF hit? USA passport is numero uno amigos
10-15-2017 , 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Lilu7
there's bucket loads of options. Didn't a ton of online pros bounce to Canada/Latin America/Thailand when BF hit? USA passport is numero uno amigos
They usually aren't legal residents and can't legally work in those countries. They're just expats, and USA#1 is still their only nationality. Becoming an actual resident with the right to work and a path to citizenship is a lot more involved than just renting a room in a Rosarito poker house.
10-15-2017 , 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by zikzak
Where would you go? There aren't many places you can just up and move to as a US citizen.
What Lilu said. It doesn't have to be Euroland. I'm not deserting my family though, so it's complicated and would be difficult.
10-15-2017 , 07:29 PM
If a full-scale war starts then what was possible before that war started will become pretty much irrelevant.
10-15-2017 , 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by zikzak
They usually aren't legal residents and can't legally work in those countries. They're just expats, and USA#1 is still their only nationality. Becoming an actual resident with the right to work and a path to citizenship is a lot more involved than just renting a room in a Rosarito poker house.
Peru is a thought. Googling it, it doesn't seem that hard to get a work visa. I think many countries accept skilled workers and I think I have some skills that might be commonly in demand.
10-15-2017 , 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
If a full-scale war starts then what was possible before that war started will become pretty much irrelevant.
There will probably be a lot of construction work available in South Korea, but I'm not sure they'll be too friendly to Americans. I'll have to pass as Canadian.
10-15-2017 , 07:45 PM
Take Off, Eh.
10-15-2017 , 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
Peru is a thought. Googling it, it doesn't seem that hard to get a work visa. I think many countries accept skilled workers and I think I have some skills that might be commonly in demand.
It's certainly possible to emigrate to all sorts of places, but there are definitely hoops to jump through and qualifications to be met. And if Trump does start a full-on shootin' war, you'll have a lot of competition from like-minded people for limited slots in countries that have become much less welcoming to Americans. In practical, real world terms, very few people will be able to leave this country.
10-15-2017 , 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
Peru is a thought. Googling it, it doesn't seem that hard to get a work visa. I think many countries accept skilled workers and I think I have some skills that might be commonly in demand.
Ireland has a relatively painless critical skills work permit programme, depending on your demonstrable qualifications/experience. Your dependents can come too, and your spouse or partner can apply for a non-qualification-dependent work permit after you secure yours. After two years, you can apply for functionally permanent resident status, allowing you to work with no restrictions. Three years after that, you can apply to become an Irish citizen (you are not required to renounce your birth citizenship).
10-15-2017 , 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Noodle Wazlib
Canada is pretty easy to get into afaik.

The stole Uncle Joe's line!

10-15-2017 , 08:00 PM
No poors most places. Im going to have to hope some countries accept asylum seekers since America is losing its marbles.

      
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