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Old 01-10-2019, 04:57 AM   #2351
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Took his wall and went home
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Old 01-10-2019, 05:06 AM   #2352
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Wall seems to poll around trump's approval rating, +32 from that believe there is a problem.

Just 12 percent say the U.S. faces neither a crisis nor a problem at the border.

In before you guys just call 88% of the country racist.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/...utdown-1088207

This was before Trump's speech. I'll guess he gained a point or two approval rating, just from how POTUS vs congress tends to go.
Lol trumping a poll that shows people saying there is a problem at the border. It should be 100%. Everyone here thinks there is a problem at the border.
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Old 01-10-2019, 07:39 AM   #2353
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The word crises is plural so there definitely isn't A crises

Probably not

Probably not

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Still doesn't make a wall racist
yo shut the **** up with this bull**** who do you think you're talking to
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Old 01-10-2019, 08:00 AM   #2354
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And we know how he feels about animals.

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Old 01-10-2019, 08:05 AM   #2355
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Since trump is abducting children at the border, and unable to reunite them with their parents after a court order, I would also agree that there is a problem and a humanitarian crisis at the border
There are two dead kids in the past 2 months. There is definitely a crisis at the border.
 
Old 01-10-2019, 08:25 AM   #2356
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god that ****ing picture makes my blood boil every time i see it
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Old 01-10-2019, 08:28 AM   #2357
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Old 01-10-2019, 09:25 AM   #2358
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Dem should absolutely trade 5 billion for DACA. Just a year ago they were ready to give Trump 25 billion for the wall in exchange for DACA which Trump rejected.
Problem is that it's too easy to recant on that promise. After all, Trump is not known as a guy keen on keeping promises.

Another issue is that it will set precedent for future deals. Providing money for a wall is a concession that Trump is correct about there being a border crisis. It's also a subtle approval of racism against immigrants by the Dems even if they get DACA in return.

On top of that, it gives Republicans more leverage in future deals. This isn't just a one time thing. The wall will be a constant issue that the Republicans will use to hammer the Democrats in future elections. No matter how much the Dems acquiesce, it will never be enough. It will never be built even if they got $1 trillion for it because it's more valuable as an election-winning weapon than a physical item.

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He is right that it would be a total waste of time. Each side knows what the other side wants and that they are unwilling to budge. The "meeting" was nothing more than a stunt to portray Trump as a strongman to his supporters. They don't view it as Trump throwing a fit and running away. They view as him telling the Democrats to go **** themselves.

The only thing that brings me some sort of joy is that he is likely the unhappiest person in America right now. He never wanted this job. He wanted to use it as a jumping off point for other business ventures. Somehow, he ended up winning and he's no longer able to do whatever he wants like he did in the past. Acting the strongman worked in the business world. Politics is showing him to be not a strongman but a cowardly bully who runs away every time somebody doesn't do what he wants them to.

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I seriously don't see how this shutdown ends.
Trump dying is what will do it.

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Its so adorable that anyone who supports a border is a deplorable
Few people are saying that. Most people see border security as a need. However, there is a difference between securing a border against letting in criminals and villainizing immigrants as a group. Building a wall will justify the latter.

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Lawyers,

Maddow reporting Mueller might wrap up next month. Are we going to see any of the Mueller report in our lifetimes or will it be secret forever?
It'll probably be treated the same way the Senate Intelligence Committee treated the CIA torture scandal where a summary is released. The full report is probably treated like The Pentagon Papers where it stays classified for 40+ years before finally being released.

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I mean I already know there isn't one but what is the argument for not making Dreamers citizens anyways? I assume it is 100% thinly veiled racism but I can't think of a real reason besides that anyone would be opposed to it.

In other words what is this path to citizenship ****ery.
The argument is likely that the act of illegally emigrating to the US makes them criminals. Since they are criminals, they can be punished as criminals by being jailed or deported.
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Old 01-10-2019, 09:25 AM   #2359
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Old 01-10-2019, 09:34 AM   #2360
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Old 01-10-2019, 09:35 AM   #2361
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So much winning going on.
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Old 01-10-2019, 09:36 AM   #2362
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Actually kind of believe Trump there. (Edit: re the no slamming)
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Old 01-10-2019, 09:38 AM   #2363
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Actually kind of believe Trump there. (Edit: re the no slamming)
Based on his long history of telling the truth and stable demeanor?
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Old 01-10-2019, 09:39 AM   #2364
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"Working in overdrive"
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Old 01-10-2019, 09:40 AM   #2365
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Based on his long history of telling the truth and stable demeanor?
Trump doesn't seem like the kind of guy to go out of his way to exert energy unnecessarily especially if it requires physical movement.
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Old 01-10-2019, 09:41 AM   #2366
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Important clarification. This makes all the difference.
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Old 01-10-2019, 09:42 AM   #2367
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No, I dunno, I just think Trump is too passive-aggressive, basically. I'd expect him to leave and then take it out on one of his staffers.
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Old 01-10-2019, 09:42 AM   #2368
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Old 01-10-2019, 09:43 AM   #2369
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Old 01-10-2019, 09:43 AM   #2370
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Really does look like this is his hill to die on. Going to be an interesting next few weeks.
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Old 01-10-2019, 09:44 AM   #2371
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Old 01-10-2019, 09:50 AM   #2372
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WHO ARE WE YELLING AT?
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Old 01-10-2019, 10:00 AM   #2373
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He's been president for almost two full years. Why the **** isn't it great yet?
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Old 01-10-2019, 10:14 AM   #2374
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I guess I was right about Trump's plan to save face by declaring a national emergency and then losing the inevitable court challenges. Per CNN:

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Old 01-10-2019, 10:22 AM   #2375
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Trump doesn't seem like the kind of guy to go out of his way to exert energy unnecessarily especially if it requires physical movement.
There are dozens of stories of him yelling and swearing in meetings. Itís a mortal lock he slammed the table and stormed out.
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