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Old 01-10-2019, 12:31 AM   #2326
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Old 01-10-2019, 12:34 AM   #2327
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Old 01-10-2019, 12:36 AM   #2328
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Wall seems to poll around trump's approval rating, +32 from that believe there is a problem.

Just 12 percent say the U.S. faces neither a crisis nor a problem at the border.

In before you guys just call 88% of the country racist.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/...utdown-1088207

This was before Trump's speech. I'll guess he gained a point or two approval rating, just from how POTUS vs congress tends to go.
I mean, I say there is a crisis at the border: the one Trump created where he has put kids in concentration camps.
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Old 01-10-2019, 12:37 AM   #2329
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ok...it seems he's gone to bed
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Old 01-10-2019, 12:38 AM   #2330
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Its so adorable that anyone who supports a border is a deplorable

You aren't all better than that?
Good emperors build roads. Bad emperors build walls.
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Old 01-10-2019, 12:43 AM   #2331
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Old 01-10-2019, 12:47 AM   #2332
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Wall seems to poll around trump's approval rating, +32 from that believe there is a problem.

Just 12 percent say the U.S. faces neither a crisis nor a problem at the border.

In before you guys just call 88% of the country racist.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/...utdown-1088207

This was before Trump's speech. I'll guess he gained a point or two approval rating, just from how POTUS vs congress tends to go.
What Wookie said. The crisis is innocent people are being thrown in prison. Children no less. Monsters are going around destroying caches of water.

15000 children.

There's also a crisis of racist Americans believing things like "without border control most of the people coming through would be gang members".
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Old 01-10-2019, 12:48 AM   #2333
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Old 01-10-2019, 12:53 AM   #2334
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is this real?
msnbc just showed it
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Old 01-10-2019, 12:57 AM   #2335
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Old 01-10-2019, 12:58 AM   #2336
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Wheatrich,

You are forgetting the very large fraction of idiots and ignorant people among the 88%.

It’s not like we are debating which movie is best. It’s mathematical fact that there is no crisis. Immigration is way down and immigrants are less criminal than native born citizens.

There is no crisis. Period. It does not exist. Even if 99.9999% of Americans thought it did it would still not exist. It’s not based on feelings. It’s based on statistics.

This entire thing is pure distilled racism and xenophobia. Nothing more.

There are only two reasons to support the wall. It’s always some combination of

Racism
Ignorance of the facts.

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Old 01-10-2019, 01:02 AM   #2337
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Old 01-10-2019, 01:09 AM   #2338
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There is nothing racist or xenophobic about wanting to control your border.

At all
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Old 01-10-2019, 01:11 AM   #2339
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We allow 1.2 million people to legally immigrate to the united states every single year

Id be in favor of that number increasing if we got control of illegal immigration

There is nothing racist or xenophobic about wanting to control your border.

At all
Can you not see the connection between these two things? Help immigrants come to America to work and give them a path to stay and work as long as they are not violent criminals. Give them expedient due process for asylum. Many (most?) become illegal by going around the system (overstay) that is actively trying to remove immigrants or worse. Seems like we can control "bad" immigrants by aiding the "good" ones.
If I can just show up at ports of entry and then become a citizen or at least allowed entry to live/work I'm going to do that. If my kids might be taken and abused, my legal status might be in limbo for years...why play by the rules? People will and should do what it takes to have opportunity and dignity.
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Old 01-10-2019, 01:20 AM   #2340
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Wheatrich,

You are forgetting the very large fraction of idiots and ignorant people among the 88%.

Itís not like we are debating which movie is best. Itís mathematical fact that there is no crisis. Immigration is way down and immigrants are less criminal than native born citizens.

There is no crisis. Period. It does not exist. Even if 99.9999% of Americans thought it did it would still not exist. Itís not based on feelings. Itís based on statistics.
I'm not forgetting anything, the goal is to win elections, and insisting on OPEN BORDERS like this thread does, isn't helpful to that goal.

It doesn't matter that it doesn't exist--it's whether they believe it does.

Religion is the most obvious example here, they can't all be right but they all believe they are, so you can't run on YOUR RELIGION IS BULL****. (well outside of muslim here ofc but you get the point)
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Old 01-10-2019, 01:22 AM   #2341
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Can they actually put these things into law or would they all be promises or stuff that can be easily revoked later? Didn't the dems make some kind of deal with the GOP last time and then they reneged on the deal?
It will obviously all be poisoned. Just think about what a Bond villain would do and you'll arrive at the correct answer every single time. "Hand over the gun and I'll let the girl go."
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Old 01-10-2019, 01:33 AM   #2342
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My wife teaches at a federal prison and said the guards, who are very Trumpy and are not getting paid, were murmuring anti-Trump sentiments today. They talked about MSNBC and protesting.
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Has to be good news. If he's losing those guys, it's hard to see how the shutdown comes out well for him.
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Old 01-10-2019, 02:06 AM   #2344
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My wife teaches at a federal prison and said the guards, who are very Trumpy and are not getting paid, were murmuring anti-Trump sentiments today. They talked about MSNBC and protesting.
Lol, canīt see a way how not paying prison guards could possibly go wrong. Way to go!
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Old 01-10-2019, 03:29 AM   #2345
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Since trump is abducting children at the border, and unable to reunite them with their parents after a court order, I would also agree that there is a problem and a humanitarian crisis at the border
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Old 01-10-2019, 03:59 AM   #2346
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Kushner basically told GOP senators "give up all your sacred cows and get my father in law the ****ing wall."

PS: Trump actually knows eminent domain/right of way and other variations of property rights pretty well. lol. Go figure.

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Old 01-10-2019, 04:17 AM   #2347
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LOL Trump doesn't know anything about anything but thx for playing.
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Old 01-10-2019, 04:41 AM   #2348
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Kushner basically told GOP senators "give up all your sacred cows and get my father in law the ****ing wall."

PS: Trump actually knows eminent domain/right of way and other variations of property rights pretty well. lol. Go figure.
Dems need to hammer this. The GOP loves to spout off less government. Well deplorables, your Daddy wants to seize land to build the wall. What say you?
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Old 01-10-2019, 04:52 AM   #2349
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Its so adorable that anyone who supports a border is a deplorable

You aren't all better than that?
Supports a border?

You support a ridiculous waste of money wall. There is already a border. Any map will tell you this.
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Old 01-10-2019, 04:53 AM   #2350
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Everyone knows that to make an omelette you've got to crack a few eggs. And why should they care about who owns some scrub land in Arizona or New Mexico or Texas (or whereverthehell the Wall will be erected).
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