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Old 01-09-2019, 07:58 PM   #2251
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Old 01-09-2019, 08:02 PM   #2252
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I blame trump for this not happening

But my point is the dems offered 25 billion for a wall 1 year ago. So saying 5 billion is unreasonable is silly
The dollar amount isn't what is unreasonable about Trump's hostage taking.
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Old 01-09-2019, 08:12 PM   #2253
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I seriously don't see how this shutdown ends.
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Old 01-09-2019, 08:13 PM   #2254
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Joe Manchin better not be a Democrat in 2024, that's all I've got to say... and if he is, he damn well better get primaried. **** that guy.
In West Virginia?
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Old 01-09-2019, 08:13 PM   #2255
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The dollar amount isn't what is unreasonable about Trump's hostage taking.
Which means the Democrats muddy the waters by saying the wall is a waste of money. They would be opposed if it costs ten dollars and they hurt themselves when they don't say so.
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Old 01-09-2019, 08:14 PM   #2256
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Which means the Democrats muddy the waters by saying the wall is a waste of money. They would be opposed if it costs ten dollars and they hurt themselves when they don't say so.
Is this the Dom's Pony gimmick? Yes, it is known that Dems are bad at messaging.
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Old 01-09-2019, 08:15 PM   #2257
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I blame trump for this not happening

But my point is the dems offered 25 billion for a wall 1 year ago. So saying 5 billion is unreasonable is silly


**** your wall. Seriously.

Itís never happening.
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Old 01-09-2019, 08:15 PM   #2258
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I blame trump for this not happening

But my point is the dems offered 25 billion for a wall 1 year ago. So saying 5 billion is unreasonable is silly
Hmm, did anything change in the last year?

Might have to make a different deal now that he has to win D house as well a few D Senators.
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Old 01-09-2019, 08:15 PM   #2259
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Several polls have blame for trump’s shutdown shifting 4 points towards trump.
 
Old 01-09-2019, 08:15 PM   #2260
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Good god I thought we had eradicated all of these idiots.
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Old 01-09-2019, 08:17 PM   #2261
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Which means the Democrats muddy the waters by saying the wall is a waste of money. They would be opposed if it costs ten dollars and they hurt themselves when they don't say so.
Dems are just lucky the wall is bad on both moral and utilitarian grounds so they have their choice of picking which way they want to go.
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Old 01-09-2019, 08:28 PM   #2262
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I don’t see how dems lose this political fight

60% of people oppose the wall
Congress passed a clean bill to open the government
Trump is horrible at messaging

The only people the dems are losing too are the deplorables who would never vote for them anyway.
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Old 01-09-2019, 08:40 PM   #2263
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Hmm, did anything change in the last year?

Might have to make a different deal now that he has to win D house as well a few D Senators.
I think he'd give permanent daca for the 5.7 billion now
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Old 01-09-2019, 08:40 PM   #2264
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Folks, don't let them gaslight you.

3.5 billion will never be enough for them. 5.7b will never be enough. Only an entire wall with barbed wire, drones and armed guards every 100 feet will satisfy them. The idea that giving some money to the wall and then the border is "secure enough" from the rapists and criminals is pure fiction. They will forever complain that they need more $ to finish the wall and keep America safe. The next budget impasse will be the same thing all over again. They will tell you how they compromised last time, this time you owe them the rest of the wall. They will tell you how not spending more on the wall would waste the previous funding for the wall, ad nauseum.
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Old 01-09-2019, 08:55 PM   #2265
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That isn't enough. They also want the deportation force to round up 11 million people with no regard for due process or humanitarian concerns.
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Old 01-09-2019, 09:08 PM   #2266
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Yes, deplorableness has no limits.

One counter-strategy (if you want to call it that) is to draw a line in the sand, especially in the current political environment.

That's why the wall is a non-starter. To many Dems, Trump's Wall is the moral equivalent (gateway) of Hitler's concentration camps.
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Old 01-09-2019, 09:17 PM   #2267
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Allegedly trump asked Nancy if he opened the government tomorrow is there any chance for wall funding after. She said no. He said there is nothing left to discuss then



If he gives in he loses



If he is willing to accept lets say 3.5 billion instead of 5.7 billion it shows he can compromise. Chuck and Nancy think the best plan is to not compromise



The longer this goes on i think public support shifts to trump

Mets,

Go back to POG. This is where the adults discuss Trump
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Old 01-09-2019, 09:19 PM   #2268
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Mets,

Go back to POG. This is where the adults discuss Trump
Some old school pogger smack talk, I like it.
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Old 01-09-2019, 09:30 PM   #2269
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Trump won't back down until Fox tells him to back down.
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Old 01-09-2019, 09:36 PM   #2270
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Trump won't back down until Fox tells him to back down.
awval loves this situation because as far as he sees it, it's all working out great for him.
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Old 01-09-2019, 09:41 PM   #2271
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Old 01-09-2019, 09:45 PM   #2272
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Trump won't back down until Fox tells him to back down.
He's gonna have to check with Ann Coulter too.
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Old 01-09-2019, 09:51 PM   #2273
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Unless I'm mistaken, if the quartet of Gardner/Collins/Murkowski/Capito really wanted to, they could announce that they were switching parties for a few days and force a vote on the house bill.
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Old 01-09-2019, 09:52 PM   #2274
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I'm guessing the 1 million + Republicans working for the federal government (not even counting contractors and families) are quickly realizing the wall really isn't that important to them.
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Old 01-09-2019, 10:21 PM   #2275
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Republicans are cracking, dems are not. I can't see any conceivable way that trend will reverse. I guess Dems could try to work with some moderate Repubs to give Trump a way to save face but not give him the wall.
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