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Collins urged Trump to consider a previous deal she was a part of that would trade $25 billion for the wall for permanent protections for undocumented immigrants brought to the country as kids. Trump dismissed that idea.

01-09-2019 , 07:12 PM

#2227

suzzer99

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Quote:

Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan

Allegedly trump asked Nancy if he opened the government tomorrow is there any chance for wall funding after. She said no. He said there is nothing left to discuss then

If he gives in he loses

If he is willing to accept lets say 3.5 billion instead of 5.7 billion it shows he can compromise. Chuck and Nancy think the best plan is to not compromise

The longer this goes on i think public support shifts to trump

Did Trump offer anything in exchange for the wall? I hear he's a great dealmaker.

01-09-2019 , 07:12 PM

#2228

eyebooger

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Quote:

Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan

They've offered much higher in the past

It's very reasonable

It's not though.

Why can't we just do the bill that unanimously passed the previous senate and passed the new house?

For this reason, I blame McConnell even more than Trump for this shutdown.

01-09-2019 , 07:13 PM

#2229

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Quote:

Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan

They've offered much higher in the past

It's very reasonable

In exchange for DACA. Are you cool with some money for the wall in exchange for DACA?

01-09-2019 , 07:19 PM

#2230

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If we do DACA for Wall, I want citizenship. Instantly.

No half-measure that can be reneged on.

01-09-2019 , 07:20 PM

#2231

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Quote:

Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan

They've offered much higher in the past

It's very reasonable

Here is the stand the Dems should take

**** trump and **** his Nazi Memorial wall

01-09-2019 , 07:27 PM

#2232

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Originally Posted by suzzer99

In exchange for DACA. Are you cool with some money for the wall in exchange for DACA?

I loved the 25 billion for pathway for daca deal, yes

01-09-2019 , 07:27 PM

#2233

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so suzzer is already trying to re-hash a stupid discussion and metsandfins is back

great

01-09-2019 , 07:28 PM

#2234

biggerboat

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Mets, dude, what are you doing?

01-09-2019 , 07:30 PM

#2235

eyebooger

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Quote:

Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan

I loved the 25 billion for pathway for daca deal, yes

25 billion? I thought it was 5.7 billion?

(Really I thought it was zero because Mexico)

01-09-2019 , 07:32 PM

#2236

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Originally Posted by eyebooger

If we do DACA for Wall, I want citizenship. Instantly.

No half-measure that can be reneged on.

Immediate citizenship would never pass the senate

Pathway with real attainable pathways is fair.

01-09-2019 , 07:34 PM

#2237

ScreaminAsian

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(Last 3 years) trump: and WHO'S gonna pay for the wall??

Mets: MEXICO! **** MEXICO I HATE MEXICO

01-09-2019 , 07:34 PM

#2238

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Originally Posted by eyebooger

25 billion? I thought it was 5.7 billion?

(Really I thought it was zero because Mexico)

The daca deal was for 25 billion. The dems mostly agreed to it. Even i blame trump for blowing that by insisting on end of chain migration and Visa lottery to be added to it.

01-09-2019 , 07:34 PM

#2239

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Me: I will give you $20,000 for this brand new car
Donny the Mobster Car Salesman: No, instead you will give me $5,000 and I won’t kill your family
Me: runs to the police station
Mets, the Donny the Mobster Apologist Who Totally Doesn’t Support Donny:Pwn is so unreasonable!!!!! He offered to give Donny $20,000 and now he is trying to get Donny in trouble with the police just for asking for $5,000. Gosh, can you believe it? This is why I hate liberals!!!!

01-09-2019 , 07:35 PM

#2240

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Quote:

Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan

I loved the 25 billion for pathway for daca deal, yes

Well Trump didn't. So whose fault is that? Democrats?

01-09-2019 , 07:37 PM

#2241

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lol@ "would never pass the Senate".
Dems have to give Republicans what they like, but Repbublicans won't be able to give Dems what they like, because reasons.

Also, tha Democrats can not negotiate before the shutdown has ended. Everything else is not a negotiation, but a hostage situation by dealmaker no.1.

01-09-2019 , 07:39 PM

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https://www-wtsp-com.cdn.ampproject....2F67-519361171

I blame trump for this not happening

But my point is the dems offered 25 billion for a wall 1 year ago. So saying 5 billion is unreasonable is silly

01-09-2019 , 07:40 PM

#2243

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Trump was ready to sign the spending bill until Ann Coulter called him out. He could have been wheeling and dealing that whole time. Instead he decided to take hostages. He did this to himself.

It's obvious he doesn't give a flying crap about the wall personally.

01-09-2019 , 07:40 PM

#2244

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Originally Posted by suzzer99

Well Trump didn't. So whose fault is that? Democrats?

Trump did like it. The far right didn't and trump stupidly caved

01-09-2019 , 07:42 PM

#2245

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The far right is Trump's base. They're also the ones causing this shutdown.

Seems like Ol' Donnie's got himself in a quite a pickle this time.

01-09-2019 , 07:45 PM

#2246

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Quote:

Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan

Trump did like it. The far right didn't and trump stupidly caved

lol what a beta cuck

01-09-2019 , 07:48 PM

#2247

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Quote:

Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan

For being such a great deal maker he seemed to screw the pooch, huh?

He had all the leverage and didn’t make a deal that gave him what he wanted because a few extremists weren’t happy so instead he waits til he has no leverage to renegotiate?

Now he may have to offer what he offered before just to get a quarter of what he would’ve gotten before—either that or he gets nothing

01-09-2019 , 07:56 PM

#2248

MrWookie

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Quote:

Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan

The daca deal was for 25 billion. The dems mostly agreed to it. Even i blame trump for blowing that by insisting on end of chain migration and Visa lottery to be added to it.

Always hilarious when racists get rustled by an immigration program they designed to be racist, but now that it's getting used by brown people, it has to be ended.

01-09-2019 , 07:56 PM

#2249

master3004

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Quote:

Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan

Thats Trumps version and nobody elses. Nobody is surprised youre sucking on his bootheels

01-09-2019 , 07:58 PM

#2250

master3004

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Quote:

Originally Posted by goofyballer

"I am taking your family hostage. I will free them for $100 million"

"No, but what about $50 million?"

"Okay, deal! This shows I am a reasonable person capable of compromise. Also public support would have shifted towards me the longer I held your family hostage."

- what POGgers actually believe

Please never lump me in with the pile of human feces that is metsandfinsfan again

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