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If they keep finding ways to mitigate the pain of the shutdown then it'll be like that Star Trek episode. Two planets were at war but they decided to settle it by computers and have people walk into disintegration chambers instead of fighting battles and bombing each other. Because the effects of the war weren't that bad and neither side wanted to give in, the war went on for 200 years.

It was a good episode that. The Original Star Trek was excellent at building a story around philosophical questions.

01-09-2019 , 05:38 PM

#2202

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Originally Posted by TrollyWantACracker

My guess is that Trump gets what he wants and comes out of this looking like a hero.

please tell me youre a riverman gimmick

01-09-2019 , 05:41 PM

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danspartan

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Originally Posted by synth_floyd

If they keep finding ways to mitigate the pain of the shutdown then it'll be like that Star Trek episode.Two planets were at war but they decided to settle it by computers and have people walk into disintegration chambers instead of fighting battles and bombing each other. Because the effects of the war weren't that bad and neither side wanted to give in, the war went on for 200 years.

We are all nerds here. You only need the bolded part.

01-09-2019 , 05:56 PM

#2204

biggerboat

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Trump is the Gorn, obv.

01-09-2019 , 06:02 PM

#2205

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Originally Posted by danspartan

We are all nerds here. You only need the bolded part.

I've never seen that episode.

I'll show myself to the door.

01-09-2019 , 06:03 PM

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never watched an episode of star trek dont @ me

01-09-2019 , 06:06 PM

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Here's some cliff notes for another classic sci fi series:

01-09-2019 , 06:14 PM

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JonnyA

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In terms of federal employees starting to miss their paychecks, I'm pretty sure that the essential employees are going to be extra screwed. If you're furloughed you can at least file for unemployment, but if you're essential I don't think you can - as you're not unemployed, you're just having your paycheck delayed.

01-09-2019 , 06:18 PM

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Lady: So Hey dude Trumps guys were colluding with the enemy bro.
The Honorable Tom Reed: eeep orp umm errrr uhhh I’m not the collusion your the collusion bye.

01-09-2019 , 06:23 PM

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"Unfortunately, the President just got up and walked out," Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer said. "He asked Speaker (Nancy) Pelosi, 'Will you agree to my wall?' She said no. And he just got up and said, 'Then we have nothing to discuss,' and he just walked out. Again, we saw a temper tantrum because he couldn't get his way, and he just walked out of the meeting."

A source familiar with what happened inside the room said Trump ended the meeting by standing up and announcing "bye bye" before turning and walking out.
As Democrats repeatedly told the President to open the government and deal with the border security fight after, the President continued to reject them as unwilling to have an actual negotiation, another source said.

Schumer then asked Trump, "Why won't you open the government and stop hurting people?"

Trump responded bluntly, "Because then you won't give me what I want."

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/09/polit...ump/index.html

01-09-2019 , 06:24 PM

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My guess is the DACA deal happens. Not sure if I'd still do that if I'm Pelosi/Schumer, but whatever I'm sure they will.

01-09-2019 , 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by danspartan

We are all nerds here. You only need A Taste Of Armageddon.

01-09-2019 , 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/09/polit...ump/index.html

Allegedly trump asked Nancy if he opened the government tomorrow is there any chance for wall funding after. She said no. He said there is nothing left to discuss then

If he gives in he loses

If he is willing to accept lets say 3.5 billion instead of 5.7 billion it shows he can compromise. Chuck and Nancy think the best plan is to not compromise

The longer this goes on i think public support shifts to trump

01-09-2019 , 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by champstark

My guess is the DACA deal happens. Not sure if I'd still do that if I'm Pelosi/Schumer, but whatever I'm sure they will.

After last night and as this proceeds any deal about anything not tied to reopening the government is a bad move for democrats.

Trump can agree to all sorts of things but the senate won’t do it is pointless and just makes the Democrats look bad. They need to hammer on only focusing on reopening the government and NOTHING else until that is done.

Things are about to get much worse for Trump and democrats need to push harder on the shutdown and stop engaging in this negotiating other things nonsense.

01-09-2019 , 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by +rep_lol

please tell me youre a riverman gimmick

Where did riverman go

01-09-2019 , 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan

Lol no. Only if the democrats keep failing on messaging and engaging on border security or entertaining any discussions about anything but specifically ending the shutdown.

01-09-2019 , 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan

Allegedly trump asked Nancy if he opened the government tomorrow is there any chance for wall funding after. She said no. He said there is nothing left to discuss then

No, he said "bye-bye"

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The longer this goes on i think public support shifts to trump

lol

01-09-2019 , 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by J-Lo

Should I be as concerned as I am about this headline:

Rosenstein plans to leave Justice Dept. shortly after Barr confirmed

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/09/polit...ent/index.html

FML. Wtf, why step down?

Rosenstein Plans to Stay Until Mueller Submits a Report

A source close to Rosenstein said he intends to stay on until Mueller submits a report to the Justice Department on the Russian meddling investigation, NBC News reported. The source said that would mean Rosenstein would remain until early March.

Several legal sources have said they expect the Mueller team to submit its report by mid-to-late February, although they said that timeline could change based on unforeseen investigative developments.

01-09-2019 , 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan

If he is willing to accept lets say 3.5 billion instead of 5.7 billion it shows he can compromise. Chuck and Nancy think the best plan is to not compromise

The longer this goes on i think public support shifts to trump

"I am taking your family hostage. I will free them for $100 million"

"No, but what about $50 million?"

"Okay, deal! This shows I am a reasonable person capable of compromise. Also public support would have shifted towards me the longer I held your family hostage."

- what POGgers actually believe

01-09-2019 , 06:42 PM

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Noze

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Looks like ole Donny is speaking to all the welfare queens at the Farm Bureau convention 3 blocks from my office on Monday. Definitely working from home that day, **** dealing with that.

01-09-2019 , 06:46 PM

#2221

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Quote:

Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan

If he is willing to accept lets say 3.5 billion instead of 5.7 billion it shows he can compromise. Chuck and Nancy think the best plan is to not compromise

You can't just divide an unreasonable offer by 2 and call it a compromise.

01-09-2019 , 06:51 PM

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Also if you thought the POG politics thread was too hostile towards you, buckle up. Several people here make master look like well named.

01-09-2019 , 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan

Allegedly trump asked Nancy if he opened the government tomorrow is there any chance for wall funding after. She said no. He said there is nothing left to discuss then

If he gives in he loses

If he is willing to accept lets say 3.5 billion instead of 5.7 billion it shows he can compromise. Chuck and Nancy think the best plan is to not compromise

The longer this goes on i think public support shifts to trump

You don't think it's a bit odd that the dollar amount is arbitrary? Like if this were Obamacare, you would move different parts around to get different dollar amounts. Should people have more or less subsidies? How well or how poorly should insurance companies be compensated? How what percentage above the poverty line should the Medicaid expansion cover? Etc. Politicians would then move that up or down and change the final dollar amount.

With Trump it's just Calvinball with numbers. What does 3.5 billion mean vs 5.7 billion? How many miles of wall, what kind of wall for how much? No one knows. Because the dollar amount is just some arbitrary number to give Trump a win, not some kind of concrete policy proposal.

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