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Old 01-08-2019, 02:54 PM   #1801
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they just need to bring that video clip of trump saying he'll take responsibility for the government shutdown, but you know they won't.
Based on how much Schumer seemed to have been in love with Trump saying that I would be afraid of the opposite that he focusses to much on it and doesn't speak about issues enough. Pelosi seems to be good at messaging, though, so my two euro-cents would be that the response might be okay.
The media reaction will obviously depend on how outrageous Trump will be, so we'll see how much they will be noticed at all.
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Old 01-08-2019, 02:55 PM   #1802
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Zero chance I’m watching the speech or, far more importantly, the “rebuttal.” No ****ing way I’m going to subject myself to that ****.

Chuck Schumer seriously tilts me more than trump, what a useless stooge whore.
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Old 01-08-2019, 02:56 PM   #1803
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lol, how ****ing bad must Manafort's lawyers be
Multiple typos imo.
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Old 01-08-2019, 02:57 PM   #1804
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Old 01-08-2019, 02:59 PM   #1805
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The POG politics thread is interesting there are actually Trump supporters there
That’s one puzzle that will never be solved.
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Old 01-08-2019, 03:00 PM   #1806
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Grunching, but Whitacker now saying he's too busy to meet with the House Judiciary Committee in January. The committee meets for the first time later this week and I hope they just subpoena him right away and don't give him any chance to slither away.

The Dems better not use some kind of absurd fear of tit for tat or concerns about previous or future norms not to go 100 percent after Trump and his crimes. This is not some normal stage in political evolution, it's a break glass in case of emergency situation and any Dem that shows any hesitancy (looking at you Schumer) should be removed from office.

I don't care if it would be better to run against Trump than someone else in 2020. Trump is the reason impeachment exists. Start impeaching him for the non-Russia and non-obstruction stuff next week and then add those in when Mueller is done, or re-impeach when Mueller is done.

What are people like Pence thinking? When this is all said and done the history of the Trump administration will be a 10 volume report that identifies and calls out, in excruciating detail, all the lies, crimes, misdeeds, profiteering, these people are complicit in. It is inevitable. There will be nowhere for those who remain complicit with the Trump administration to hide.
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Old 01-08-2019, 03:00 PM   #1807
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Dems need to frame raising taxes as "restoring taxation to its historic norms" or something like that. You wanna MAGA? Then bring back taxes to where they were when America was "great." Don't they have a Luntz type guy who knows how to do this stuff? They're so bad at messaging.
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Old 01-08-2019, 03:06 PM   #1808
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Impeach the Clown.

Trump’s Best Shutdown Move Is to Fold Now

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If the shutdown was successfully galvanizing his supporters, you would expect fiery exhortations from Fox News anchors to attract the eyeballs of Trump’s base. But on the first Wednesday and Thursday of the new year, all of Fox News’ prime-time shows scored viewership below their daily averages for 2018. Fox News’ tentpole show, Hannity, which averaged 3.3 million daily viewers in 2018, hasn’t reached 3 million since December 12th, a week before the shutdown began.

Meanwhile, the lefty lineup over at MSNBC performed better last week than its daily 2018 average. In particular, The Rachel Maddow Show pulled in 3.5 million viewers Thursday night, 1 million more than Hannity. Perhaps sensing he doesn’t already have the attention of the television-watching public, Trump is forcing his way on to our screens Tuesday night with his first prime-time Oval Office address.
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Old 01-08-2019, 03:10 PM   #1809
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Apparently Trump won't be invoking emergency powers tonight.
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Old 01-08-2019, 03:14 PM   #1810
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Manafort lawyers just prepping for an incompetent representation appeal.
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Old 01-08-2019, 03:16 PM   #1811
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I take Trump pretty seriously when he says he may declare a state of emergency. He is not a habitual bluffer. And when a court declares that there is no emergency, he can end the shutdown on the grounds that the judiciary won't let him build the wall. That would be pure misdirection because he could continue the shutdown even in the absence of a national emergency, but it's exactly the sort of misdirection he loves.

Then he can bang the drum about how he needs to be reelected in 2020 to continue the Herculean task of cleaning the Aegean stables, i.e., the federal judiciary, of liberal pussies. (He won't actually refer to the Aegean stables, because that would require knowledge of what the Aegean stables are, but he might well portray himself as a modern-day Hercules.)
Nearly every law student in the country studies the "Steel Seizures" case, which arose under Eisenhower and limits presidential power. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Youngs...jority_opinion

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The decision nonetheless has had a broad impact. It represented a check on the most extreme claims of executive power at the time. It also represented the Court's assertion of its own role in intervening in political questions, as the Court later did in Baker v. Carr and Powell v. McCormack. The Court also applied the Frankfurter-Jackson approach to analyzing Congress' legislative authorization of Presidential action in invalidating efforts by the Nixon administration to plant wiretaps without prior judicial approval, while citing it more generally in support of its decision to permit litigation against the President to proceed in Clinton v. Jones. The high court also relied on Youngstown in Medellín v. Texas, 06-984 (2008). In that case, President Bush had pressured the state of Texas to review the murder conviction of a Mexican citizen who had tortured and raped two teenage girls in 1993, arguing that a 2004 decision by the International Court of Justice (ICJ) required law enforcement authorities to tell the accused of his right under the Vienna Convention to notify Mexican diplomats of his detention. In a 6-to-3 decision, the Court held that ICJ rulings were not enforceable in the United States, and Bush's actions were unconstitutional. Quoting Youngstown Sheet & Tube, Chief Justice John Roberts concluded, "The president's authority to act, as with the exercise of any governmental power, 'must stem either from an act of Congress or from the Constitution itself.'"[8]
Trump isn't actually planning on calling an "emergency" though, he's planning on using a statutory provision related to the ability of the DOD to transfer funds for building (on foreign soil) given exigent need. Trump also cannot do this, but for different reasons (Congress controls the purse, not foreign, no rational basis). Fox and other GOP talking heads will mostly (intentionally) miss this point. Trump and people in the WH will miss this point because they do not understand it.
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Old 01-08-2019, 03:20 PM   #1812
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wtf.
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Old 01-08-2019, 03:21 PM   #1813
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The Trump family, innocents all, are really unlucky to be surrounded by so many felons. Such runbad.
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Old 01-08-2019, 03:22 PM   #1814
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It was pointed out on Twitter but it's interesting that all this wall crap is coming up the same week the Dems take the House back. Trump is gonna sabotage the government for 2 years hoping to stay clear of any responsibility.
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Old 01-08-2019, 03:24 PM   #1815
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Old 01-08-2019, 03:30 PM   #1816
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Clearly Onion. Don Jr doesn't have friends...
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Old 01-08-2019, 03:30 PM   #1817
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Hahaha

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Old 01-08-2019, 03:31 PM   #1818
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Old 01-08-2019, 03:32 PM   #1819
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the qualifier "to be fair" lends a presupposition of legitimacy to the following statement as a contradiction/refutation of something said previously

whatevs
It's was to provide a counterpoint to the people who where losing their **** because some deplorable was obviously wishing physical "hurt" on her enemies when there were many other interpretations available, many of which have been uttered in this thread.
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Old 01-08-2019, 03:35 PM   #1820
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So yeah, this is just a free primetime political ad courtesy of all three major networks

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Old 01-08-2019, 03:36 PM   #1821
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It's was to provide a counterpoint to the people who where losing their **** because some deplorable was obviously wishing physical "hurt" on her enemies when there were many other interpretations available, many of which have been uttered in this thread.
It isn't a logical leap to deduce that her point there was that it's supposed to be the browns and the blacks and the illegals and the Dems who are supposed to be hurting, not people like her.

She's a FL panhandle redneck. We know what/who she was talking about.
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Old 01-08-2019, 03:38 PM   #1822
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So yeah, this is just a free primetime political ad courtesy of all three major networks


I can't tell if this is the worst-designed font ever or if the person writing this replaced the zeros with capital Os for some kind of dramatic effect
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Old 01-08-2019, 03:39 PM   #1823
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So Sunday Sarah Sanders tries to use the 4000 folks crossed the border … Chris Wallace fact checks her and says no they came through Airports. It amazes me about Pence he uses the same argument in a interview. Does he think the average American is that stupid?
Oh wait...….


Also Overstayed Visa are a bigger issue and Canada leads on that one
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Old 01-08-2019, 03:40 PM   #1824
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Old 01-08-2019, 03:43 PM   #1825
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Right on cue, Chuck and Nancy are giving the response.
I wanted Pelosi to be speaker, but that was explicitly based on her legislative skills not her ability to do retail politicking. They have plenty of senior dems not running for Pres (it would maybe be unfair to give the job to someone who is running) who would do well. Have Rep. Schiff give it, or Sen. Warner, just not Chuck and Nancy. They'll still do 10x better than Trump, but they won't convert many people.
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